2015 U.S. Open Cup schedule

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  1. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
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  2. olujosh

    olujosh Member

    Aug 23, 1999
    Ann Arbor, MI
    Country:
    United States
  3. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Home team first. Times are EDT

    Preliminary Round


    Saturday, April 25
    Harpo's FC (CO) (USSSA) v. KC Athletics (USASA) 5:00 pm
    San Francisco City FC (USCS) v. Cal FC (USASA) 6:00 pm

    First Round


    Wednesday, May 13
    West Virginia Chaos (PDL) v. Fort Pitt Regiment (NPSL) 7:00 pm
    Western Mass. Pioneers (PDL) v. Greater Binghamton FC Thunder (NPSL) 7:00 pm
    Lansing United (NPSL) v. RWB Adria (IL) (USASA) 7:00 pm
    Miami United (NPSL) v. SW Florida Adrenaline (PDL) 7:00 pm
    Upward Star (CT) (NPSL) v. Triangle Brigade (NC) (USASA) 7:00 pm
    AC Connecticut (PDL) v. Virginia Beach City FC (NPSL) 7:00 pm
    Long Island Rough Riders (PDL) v. Brooklyn Italians (NPSL) 7:30 pm
    Michigan Bucks (PDL) v. Detroit City FC (NPSL) 7:30 pm
    Chattanooga FC (NPSL) v. Ocala Stampede (PDL) 7:30 pm
    Jersey Express (PDL) v. New York Greek American Atlas (USASA) 8:00 pm
    Maryland Bays (USASA) v. Reading United A.C. (PDL) 8:00 pm
    Global Premier Soccer (MA) (USASA) v. Seacoast United Phantoms (NH) (PDL) 8:00 pm
    Des Moines Menace (PDL) v. Madison Fire (USASA) 8:30 pm
    Midland/Odessa Sockers (PDL) v. Tulsa Athletics (NPSL) 8:30 pm
    Laredo Heat (PDL) v. NTX Rayados (USASA) 9:15 pm
    BYU Cougars (PDL) v. KC Athletics (USASA)/Harpo’s FC (USSSA) winner 9:30 pm
    FC Tucson (PDL) v. Chula Vista FC (USASA) 9:30 pm
    FC Tacoma 253 (NPSL) v. Kitsap Pumas (PDL) 9:30 pm
    Sonoma County Sol (NPSL) v. Burlingame Dragons (CA) (PDL) 10:00 pm
    Ventura County Fusion (PDL) v. Cal FC (USASA)/San Francisco City FC (US Club Soccer) winner 10:00 pm
    PSA Elite (CA) (USASA) v. Golden State Misioneros FC (PDL) 9:00 pm

    Second Round

    Pairing without regard to hosts.

    Wednesday, May 20
    Pittsburgh Riverhounds (USL) v. Fort Pitt Regiment (NPSL)/West Virginia Chaos (PDL) winner
    Wilmington Hammerheads (USL) v. Ocala Stampede (PDL)/Chattanooga FC (NPSL) winner
    Richmond Kickers (USL) v. AC Connecticut (PDL)/Virginia Beach City FC (NPSL) winner
    Rochester Rhinos (USL) v. Greater Binghamton FC Thunder (NPSL)/Western Mass. Pioneers (PDL) winner
    Louisville City FC (USL) v. Lansing United (NPSL)/RWB Adria (USASA) winner
    Harrisburg City Islanders (USL) v. Reading United A.C. (PDL)/Maryland Bays (USASA) winner
    Charleston Battery (USL) v. SW Florida Adrenaline (PDL)/Miami United (NPSL) winner
    Charlotte Independence (USL) v. Triangle Brigade (USASA)/Upward Star (NPSL) winner
    Portland Timbers 2 (USL) v. Detroit City FC (NPSL)/Michigan Bucks (PDL) winner
    Real Monarchs SLC (USL) v. Long Island Rough Riders (PDL)/Brooklyn Italians (NPSL) winner
    New York Red Bulls II (USL) v. Jersey Express (PDL)/New York Greek American Atlas (USASA) winner
    Tulsa Roughnecks (USL) v. Global Premier Soccer (USASA)/Seacoast United Phantoms (PDL) winner
    Saint Louis FC (USL) v. Madison Fire (USASA)/Des Moines Menace (PDL) winner
    Oklahoma City Energy (USL) v. Midland/Odessa Sockers (PDL)/Tulsa Athletics (NPSL) winner
    Austin Aztex (USL) v. NTX Rayados (USASA)/Laredo Heat (PDL) winner
    Colorado Springs Switchbacks (USL) v. KC Athletics (USASA)/Harpo’s FC (USSSA)/BYU Cougars (PDL) winner
    Orange County Blues (USL) v. PSA Elite (USASA)/Golden State Misioneros FC (PDL) winner
    Arizona United SC (USL) v. Chula Vista FC (USASA)/FC Tucson (PDL) winner
    LA Galaxy II (USL) v. Cal FC (USASA)/San Francisco City FC (US Club Soccer)/Ventura County Fusion (PDL) winner
    Sacramento Republic FC (USL) v. Burlingame Dragons (PDL)/Sonoma County Sol (NPSL) winner
    Seattle Sounders 2 (USL) v. Kitsap Pumas (PDL)/FC Tacoma 253 (NPSL) winner
     
  4. RAL_United

    RAL_United Member

    Nov 1, 2011
    Raleigh
    Club:
    Carolina Railhawks
    Country:
    United States
    So the winners of 9 of those games will be matched up with NASL teams. And then 6 will match winners from the 2nd round.

    For 4th round, 15 match winners face off against 15 MLS teams. Extra 2 MLS teams play each other, for an even 16 matches for tournament setup going forward. Crazy how perfectly the math works out.
     
  5. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    When you start with 16 and work backwards it is amazing what you can make work.

    44 amateur teams
    21 USL
    9 NASL
    17 MLS

    Turns into rounds of
    2 games
    21 games
    21 games
    15 games
    16 games
     
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  6. Blando13

    Blando13 Member+

    Dec 4, 2013
    Lee's Summit, MO
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Country:
    United States
    So ... just looking ahead ... here's what I am "guessing" (and that's all it is, a guess) at to possible pairings for the next 2 rounds (basically enough to envolve every team) ... to avoid saving space, I'm just going to start with the USL teams ... if they get beat before then, then they'd obviously be replaced. I tried my best to keep teams away from their affiliates (and obviously their reserve squads).

    Pittsburgh Riverhounds vs Harrisburg City Islanders ... winner to play NYRB
    Carolina RailHawks vs Wilmington Hammerheads ... winner to play DC United
    St. Louis FC vs Minnesota United ... winner to play Chicago Fire (would love it to be SKC, but trying to be unbiased)
    Indy Eleven vs Louisville City FC ... winner to play Columbus Crew
    NYRBII vs NY Cosmos ... winner to play NYCFC
    Atlanta Silverbacks vs Charlotte Independence ... winner to play Sporting KC
    Charleston Battery vs Jacksonville Armada FC ... winner to play NE Revolution
    Ft. Lauderdale Strikers vs Richmond Kickers ... winner to play Orlando City SC
    Tampa Bay Rowdies vs Rochester Rhinos ... winner to play Philadelphia Union
    Arizona United SC vs Colorado Springs Switchbacks ... winner to play Colorado Rapids
    Tulsa Roughnecks vs Oklahoma City Energy ... winner to play FC Dallas
    Austin Aztex vs SA Scorpions ... winner to play Houston Dynamo
    Sounders 2 vs Timbers II ... winner to play Real Salt Lake
    Orange Co Blues vs LA Galaxy II ... winner to play San Jose Earthquake
    Sacramento Republic vs Real Monarchs ... winner to play Seattle Sounders


    Portland Timbers vs LA Galaxy (2 MLS teams will be paired up for the 16th match for the 4th round).

    Obviously, it makes more sense to have the 2 MLS teams to play each other come from the west. These are all just guess's ... but I think they make a lot of sense with obviously some exceptions in the east since there are more MLS teams in the North East and more USL/NASL teams in the southeast, something has to give ... but I tried to match potential rivals as best as I could to help build up the drama/marketing efforts/etc.
     
  7. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Preliminary Round

    Saturday, April 25
    Harpo's FC (CO) (USSSA) 2-0 KC Athletics (USASA)
    San Francisco City FC (USCS) 1-2 Cal FC (USASA)

    Updated First Round

    Wednesday, May 13
    West Virginia Chaos (PDL) v. Fort Pitt Regiment (NPSL) 7:00 pm
    Western Mass. Pioneers (PDL) v. Greater Binghamton FC Thunder (NPSL) 7:00 pm
    Lansing United (NPSL) v. RWB Adria (IL) (USASA) 7:00 pm
    Miami United (NPSL) v. SW Florida Adrenaline (PDL) 7:00 pm
    Upward Star (CT) (NPSL) v. Triangle Brigade (NC) (USASA) 7:00 pm
    AC Connecticut (PDL) v. Virginia Beach City FC (NPSL) 7:00 pm
    Long Island Rough Riders (PDL) v. Brooklyn Italians (NPSL) 7:30 pm
    Michigan Bucks (PDL) v. Detroit City FC (NPSL) 7:30 pm
    Chattanooga FC (NPSL) v. Ocala Stampede (PDL) 7:30 pm
    Jersey Express (PDL) v. NY Greek American Atlas (USASA) 8:00 pm
    Maryland Bays (USASA) v. Reading United A.C. (PDL) 8:00 pm
    Global Premier Soccer (MA) (USASA) v. Seacoast United Phantoms (NH) (PDL) 8:00 pm
    Des Moines Menace (PDL) v. Madison Fire (USASA) 8:30 pm
    Midland/Odessa Sockers (PDL) v. Tulsa Athletics (NPSL) 8:30 pm
    Laredo Heat (PDL) v. NTX Rayados (USASA) 9:15 pm
    BYU Cougars (PDL) v. Harpo’s FC (USSSA) 9:30 pm
    FC Tucson (PDL) v. Chula Vista FC (USASA) 9:30 pm
    FC Tacoma 253 (NPSL) v. Kitsap Pumas (PDL) 9:30 pm
    Sonoma County Sol (NPSL) v. Burlingame Dragons (CA) (PDL) 10:00 pm
    Ventura County Fusion (PDL) v. Cal FC (USASA) 10:00 pm
    PSA Elite (CA) (USASA) v. Golden State Misioneros FC (PDL) 10:00 pm
     
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  8. SJJ

    SJJ Member

    Sep 20, 1999
    Royal Oak, MI, USA
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Country:
    United States
    If whichever Michigan-based amateur side defeats Portland Timbers 2, that might jumble the East-West balance a little more.
     
  9. Blando13

    Blando13 Member+

    Dec 4, 2013
    Lee's Summit, MO
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Country:
    United States
    Yeah, completely ... you have situations like Tulsa Roughnecks vs a team from the North East that could shift things.

    The point of what I was doing was to look at potential regional matchups in the 3rd round ... knowing that "upsets" in the 2nd round could change things drastically.
     
  10. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Country:
    United States
    Would it have been outrageous to wait until at least Thursday morning, May 14?
     
  11. Blando13

    Blando13 Member+

    Dec 4, 2013
    Lee's Summit, MO
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Country:
    United States
    Ofcourse not ... teams probably shouldn't look ahead to the next opponent ... it's probably not a big deal if fans look ahead to potential future opponents. And I'm positive me looking at it didn't negatively effect anyone that posts on this blog. But judging by your question, maybe it did ... hope it wasn't too outrageous for you!
     
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  12. aperfectring

    aperfectring Member+

    Jul 13, 2011
    Hillsboro, OR
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Here's the first installment of my ever popular* league ELO rankings. There were no actual changes in the preliminary round, since USASA, USSSA, and US Club Soccer are all combined into one for the purposes of these rankings. This is the starting point for the rest of the season, and I'll do my best to update it between each and every round.

    *not at all true

    Some basic info, for those who want it:
    1. These rankings use all USOC games since 1996 to determine the relative strengths of the leagues. The names used below just represent the current names of leagues at that level. In reality the leagues have changed around a lot, and what is now NASL used to be USL D-1, and the A League before it. Similarly for all the other levels.
    2. There are bound to be mistakes back in the history, but the beauty of ELO rankings is that they are self-correcting over time, so the "actual strengths" probably aren't too far off from this right now, even with errors in older competitions.
    3. The actual results used are as follows:
    a. Game finishes in regulation with a result: goals scored
    b. Game finishes after extra time with a result: goals scored
    c. Game goes to penalty kicks: goals scored before the penalty kicks. The game is "recorded" as a tie.
    4. A home team has its rating raised by 100, and the change in ratings for each of the teams is calculated based on the result of the game, and the relative difference between the two ratings. This means that currently, we would expect an NASL team hosting an MLS team to be slightly in favor of the MLS team, but not significantly so.
    5. The average change in score for any individual game is about 7. This means that one league goes up by 7, and the other down by 7.
    6. There is no way to account for the fact that many MLS teams play 'B' or 'C' sides in the first few rounds they participate. I can only base it on the teams fielded.

    RoundMLSNASLUSLPDLNPSLUSASA/etc
    2014177416401576137713331301
     
  13. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Country:
    United States
    Thank you for bumping the topic because I wasn't thinking about when the U.S. Open Cup starts. Will there be online streams of any games tomorrow?
     
  14. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    I haven't seen a comprehensive list but people have been tweeting stream info at this hashtag:
    #USOC2015
     
  15. MVsoccerDad

    MVsoccerDad Member

    Aug 12, 2009
    Chattanooga, TN
    Club:
    Chattanooga Football Club
    Country:
    United States
    #15 MVsoccerDad, May 12, 2015
    Last edited: May 12, 2015
    The Chattanooga FC - Ocala Stampede game should be streamed (as all CFC games are streamed). Great production value for the NPSL IMO.

    Here is the link:

     
  16. QuietType

    QuietType Member+

    Jun 6, 2009
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Country:
    United States
  17. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    #17 newtex, May 13, 2015
    Last edited: May 13, 2015
    http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/artic...s-full-swing-wednesday-21-first-round-matches

    Here is an article from MLS that lists games that will be streamed. There may be more:

     
  18. USRufnex

    USRufnex Member+

    Tulsa Athletic
    United States
    Jul 15, 2000
    Tulsa, OK
    Club:
    --other--
    [​IMG] The Athletics Armory @AthleticsArmory · 2h 2 hours ago
    Come watch @TTownSoccer triumph in the @usopencup at @ArniesBar. https://www.facebook.com/events/878409092181858/…

    [​IMG] Tulsa Roughnecks FC @RoughnecksFC · 14h 14 hours ago
    It's the Roughnecks vs @LAGalaxyII Wednesday night at 9:30PM. @JoeMommasTulsa is hosting our official Watch Party! https://www.facebook.com/events/785784868186416/…

    In a twisted bit of irony, the Athletics' US Open Cup game at Midland/Odessa will be streamed over at Arnie's bar in downtown Tulsa at 7:30pm while the Tulsa Roughnecks FC USL game at Los Dos will be streamed starting at 9:30pm Central time over at Joe Mamma's Pizza. The party at Arnie's, which technically starts at 5:30, two hours prior to game time, happens to be approximately 341 feet away from Joe Mammas. $3 Killians Red Ale to all who wear Tulsa Athletics or Armory attire. Hopefully, Arnie's will have their signature "Soup of the Day" available for this evening's match... lol. :sneaky:

    [​IMG]
     
  19. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Country:
    United States
  20. aperfectring

    aperfectring Member+

    Jul 13, 2011
    Hillsboro, OR
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Here's the 1st round update of my ever popular* league ELO rankings.

    *not at all true

    Some basic info, for those who want it:
    1. These rankings use all USOC games since 1996 to determine the relative strengths of the leagues. The names used below just represent the current names of leagues at that level. In reality the leagues have changed around a lot, and what is now NASL used to be USL D-1, and the A League before it. Similarly for all the other levels.
    2. There are bound to be mistakes back in the history, but the beauty of ELO rankings is that they are self-correcting over time, so the "actual strengths" probably aren't too far off from this right now, even with errors in older competitions.
    3. The actual results used are as follows:
    a. Game finishes in regulation with a result: goals scored
    b. Game finishes after extra time with a result: goals scored
    c. Game goes to penalty kicks: goals scored before the penalty kicks. The game is "recorded" as a tie.
    4. A home team has its rating raised by 100, and the change in ratings for each of the teams is calculated based on the result of the game, and the relative difference between the two ratings. This means that currently, we would expect an NASL team hosting an MLS team to be slightly in favor of the MLS team, but not significantly so.
    5. The average change in score for any individual game is about 7. This means that one league goes up by 7, and the other down by 7.
    6. There is no way to account for the fact that many MLS teams play 'B' or 'C' sides in the first few rounds they participate. I can only base it on the teams fielded.

    RoundMLSNASLUSLPDLNPSLUSASA/etc
    2014177416401576137713331301
    R1177416401576137313141324


    A couple of upsets to close out the night caused the USASA/etc to have a nice big uptick for the round. In the round where they are supposed to have the biggest gains, PDL actually drops some, which doesn't bode well for their rating by the end of this year, since they will likely be up against professional competition from here on.
     
  21. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Country:
    United States
    http://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2015/05/14/01/58/150513-usoc-first-round-round-up-rel recaps the games. The advancing clubs were 11 from the PDL, 7 from NPSL, 2 from the USASA, and 1 from USSSA. The eliminated clubs were 8 from the PDL, 8 from the USASA, and 5 from the NPSL. The advancing percentages were:

    PDL: 57.9% (11/19)
    NPSL: 58.3% (7/12)
    USASA and USSSA: 27.3% (3/11)

    @aperfectring

    Given your rankings before yesterday, how many clubs from each league would you have expected to advance? The PDL, NPSL, and USASA and USSSA were in opposite order in percent of clubs advancing and in ELO point change. I know that the USASA and USSSA clubs were expected to do the worst and could gain points while advancing less than half the time, but I'm still surprised.

    Edit: A third of the games went to penalty kicks.
     
  22. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Country:
    United States
    As far as I could tell head to head PDL vs. NPSL

    NPSL 3 wins, PDL 5 wins; 2 games ended in draws with both the NPSL team advancing on PKs.

    So a very 50/50 record in terms of teams advancing.

    FIRST ROUND AWAY TEAM SCORE HOME TEAM
    Fort Pitt Regiment (NPSL) 0:1 West Virginia Chaos (PDL)
    Greater Binghamton FC Thunder (NPSL
    ) 1:1 (4:3 PK) Western Mass Pioneers (PDL)
    SW Florida Adrenaline (PDL) 1:2 Miami United (NPSL)
    Virginia Beach City FC (NPSL
    ) 3:2 AC Connecticut (PDL)
    Brooklyn Italians (NPSL) 1:3 Long Island Rough Riders (PDL)
    Detroit City FC (NPSL) 0:3 Michigan Bucks (PDL)
    Ocala Stampede (PDL) 1:1 (3:5 PK) Chattanooga FC (NPSL)
    Tulsa Athletics (NPSL) 1:3 Midland/Odessa Sockers (PDL)
    Kitsap Pumas (PDL)
    5:2 FC Tacoma 253 (NPSL)
    Burlingame Dragons (PDL) 1:2 (AET) Sonoma County Sol (NPSL)
     
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  23. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    The bigger factor, as usual in the Open Cup, is who was the home team.

    Overall in this round home teams went 15-6 on advancement.
    In those NPSL v. PDL games, the home teams went 7-3 on advancement, pretty much identical to the overall rate.

    Notably, two of the USASA/USSSA teams that advanced did it on the road. The other 4 successful road teams were evenly split between the NPSL and the PDL.
     
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  24. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Country:
    United States
    30 meetings between NPSL and PDL since 2011, if my math is right.

    PDL teams are 17-10-3 and have advanced in 18 of 30 matchups (60%).

    And home teams have advanced in 19 of the 30 matchups.
     
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  25. aperfectring

    aperfectring Member+

    Jul 13, 2011
    Hillsboro, OR
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    That's a bit tough of a call to make. USASA/USSSA hosting a PDL team would have been expected to be close to a coin flip. Basically, though, if a rating stays the same (or close to it) like PDL's did, then they performed as expected. If their score goes down, like NPSL's did, they underperformed. If their score goes up, like USASA's did, they overperformed in general.

    I went through and tallied up the overall scores between each group for the round, and came up with the following table. A positive number means the team on the left performed better, a negative number means the team at the top did.
    PDL NPSL USASA
    PDL 0 +13.6 -17.4
    NPSL -13.6 0 -5.6
    USASA +17.4 +5.6 0

    Basically, USASA overperformed against both PDL and NPSL (there were only 2 games between USASA and NPSL). PDL beat up on NPSL, but underperformed against USASA. NPSL underperformed against everyone.

    These ratings differences include goal differential, so PSA Elite's massive win at home (+16.1) contributed almost the entirety of the gains USASA had over PDL. Chula Vista's away win (+10.9) also really helped them out.
     

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