2015 Gold Cup (R)

Discussion in 'Gold Cup' started by Sebsasour, Aug 11, 2014.

  1. Deadtigers

    Deadtigers Member+

    Jul 23, 2015
    Independent Republic of the Bronx, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Country:
    Ghana
    1) Yes it does normally but by putting it in the US, is actual allows other nations more support than they would get normally too. To move the GC and give more teams a chance to get home field advantage is a nice idea in theory, I won't disagree there.
    2) Glad we can agree
    3) Ok so it is a misinterpretation on both our parts. Glad we can clear that up. I don't know if they will, your right know one knows for a fact. However things are decided in business on projections, so if CCAF did nothing different marketing wise and just tried the to host in Mexico, the would make less money. Adjustments have to be made, for instance, the peso is 0.061 to 1 dollar, so 80 dollar seats for an game would be about 1303 pesos. CCAF can't charge that for a game, it has to be brought down to an affordable value for the average Mexican fan, that means that an 80 dollar US seat is worth 40 dollars because they are charging 500 for instance. So gates go down but the cost of having a crew to shot and etc stay the same since travel and lodging is in USD. Mexico has all the technological stuff to show a match which is good but would be a problem in other CCAF countries.
     
  2. MK3owner

    MK3owner Member

    Jul 26, 2010
    Kissimmee FL.
    Club:
    Deportivo Toluca FC
    Country:
    Mexico
    1) Yes but like everyone already said. The Cup cant be held in the US forever, and expect anyone to take it seriously. The amount of different national demographics in a certain country over the other should never be a factor when moving a cup. Just like it isnt anywhere else in the world.

    2)Yes

    3)Yes, we all know that.
    Yes, it would, but no one is asking the cup to be held in every country. Obviously the Countries most structurally and financially viable would be considered first, or maybe a joint effort could be made too, like in Asia.

    I also think that some people underestimate Central American countries. CA is more than capable of hosting a GC jointly. Its not like all CA is dirt poor, and they have a massive amount of futbol fanatics that would attend the games. All countries have their local leagues and stadia. They are a short flight away from Mexico. Americans and Canadians have the money to fly and stay down there. Not to mention the fact that CA isnt too big, so all countries (central American) are a bus ride away. Which could mean that most games would probably have a decent turnout. The only area that would struggle to Host is perhaps the Caribbean? Im not 100% on their futbol culture or their economics.
     
  3. Pønch

    Pønch Saprissista

    Aug 23, 2006
    Donde siempre
    To summarize: having the same host everytime for purely financial reasons is unfair and unethical and there is zero evidence that the GC profits are a significant source of income for the individual federations.

    Not to mention it makes the whole thing look hopelessly mickey mousey.
     
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  4. Deadtigers

    Deadtigers Member+

    Jul 23, 2015
    Independent Republic of the Bronx, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Country:
    Ghana
    I actually think Costa Rica would be an interesting choice as host. I know people who love it as a travel destination. The question is stadiums of course.

    Of the points ICBR brought up something dawned on me. Marketing CCAF events beyond CCAF areas is harder because our players don't leave the area as much and play for top clubs in Europe. The Aputura (sp?) is a quality league and Mexican players don't need to leave home to become stars that makes it harder to market. I mean that CAF has Africans in North America, Europe and of course the African Continent to have tune in. Their players end up at European clubs or MLS teams so it is a tournament to watch a potential player for your team. CCAF doesn't have that so that is an obstacle. Though Asia has somewhat of the same problem but manage to work around it so its not impossible.
     
  5. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Country:
    United States
    I don't think Apertura is a league name. Several countries including Mexico have two seasons per year, with one called the Apertura and one called the Clausura.
     
  6. PabloSanDiego

    PabloSanDiego Member

    West Ham United
    United States
    Jan 18, 2014
    San Diego, CA
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    Country:
    United States
    the Mexican League is called "Liga MX", and it plays two "seasons" a year, more or less in line with the most common world football calendar that runs from about August to about May. The LIGA MX Apertura (opening) runs from late July to December and the Clausura (closing) goes from January to May. There is also an 8-team playoff after each. They just started the 2015 Apertura last weekend. It's sort of odd that the 2015 Clausura happens before the 2015 Apertura, but that's how it is because of alignment with the football calendar.

    I think you're right that interest in CONCACAF beyond the region is limited by the fact that there aren't very many players from the national teams that are stars in the popular European Leagues which are followed all over the world. Sure there's a bunch of them playing here and there, but they tend to not be the big stars and tend to not be on the big UEFA Champions League type teams. I think Asia have the same problem, as their tournaments aren't that popular outside of Asia. Plus, like CONCACAF, AFC isn't that deep with strong national teams. CAF has a lot of players who are stars on big teams, plus the Africa Cup of Nations features some really good and exciting football. Much better than some of the slop (especially the early games) we saw in this past Gold Cup.

    So marketing CONCACAF and the Gold Cup outside of the region is really tough, and I don't think that's a focus or goal right now. The focus instead should be on making it as as good a competition as possible, and increase popularity and interest within the region. Supporting improvement with teams other than the US and Mexico is one thing that will help. And I think allowing the Gold Cup to be staged somewhere other than the US year after year after year is another way. Some decent refereeing wouldn't hurt either.
     
  7. Deadtigers

    Deadtigers Member+

    Jul 23, 2015
    Independent Republic of the Bronx, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Country:
    Ghana
    Thanks for clearing it up and as for the bolded, agreed and you think!!
     
  8. Ohiginiano

    Ohiginiano Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    El Teniente Stadium
    Club:
    O Higgins Rancagua
    Maybe conmebol and Concacaf should switch referees around.
    Would that work or not?
     
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  9. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Country:
    United States
    That would increase travel expenses for referees or the confederations paying referees.
     
  10. themodelcitizen

    Jul 23, 2000
    BMO Field - Sec. 114
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I've pushed the idea before on my blog but a co-host between Costa Rica and Panama would be ideal.

    One group at Rommel Fernandez, one group at the Estadio Saprissa, one group at Costa Rica's new national stadium (which would likely host the final as well).
     
  11. SJJ

    SJJ Member

    Sep 20, 1999
    Royal Oak, MI, USA
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Country:
    United States
  12. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Country:
    United States
    A postscript: Mark Geiger has been given a six-month suspension by CONCACAF.
     
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  13. Ohiginiano

    Ohiginiano Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    El Teniente Stadium
    Club:
    O Higgins Rancagua
    Source?
     
  14. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
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    Orlando City SC
    Country:
    United States
    Follow the link in "suspension".
     
  15. Deadtigers

    Deadtigers Member+

    Jul 23, 2015
    Independent Republic of the Bronx, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Country:
    Ghana
    Fall guy! Like in Gangs of New York. Jack Warner and the Colonel will take care of the kids.
     
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  16. SJJ

    SJJ Member

    Sep 20, 1999
    Royal Oak, MI, USA
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    Michigan Bucks
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    United States
  17. ...In my defense

    ...In my defense Moderator
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    Feb 11, 2006
    Is there any confirmation on this? I cannot find anything official.
     
  18. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Country:
    United States
    I've only found a Costa Rican report that cites Panamanian sources.
     
  19. JJV1994

    JJV1994 Member+

    Jun 16, 2013
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Country:
    Mexico
    That explains it :D
     
  20. Unak78

    Unak78 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 17, 2007
    PSG & Enyimba FC
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Country:
    Nigeria
    What about the guy who reffed the Costa Rica game?
     
  21. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Country:
    United States
    On p. 127 of the tournament's technical report, it's apparently recommended that extra time be discontinued for all games except the final, aping the same policy in the last Copa América. I'm personally against it (I love penalties, but believe that the teams should have another shot at deciding the game in open play rather than straight to the spot), but do see where it makes sense for a biennial competition.
     
  22. Sakuragi

    Sakuragi Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Club:
    Club América
    Country:
    Mexico
    I'm still waiting for the Golden Goal to come back...
     
  23. Deadtigers

    Deadtigers Member+

    Jul 23, 2015
    Independent Republic of the Bronx, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Country:
    Ghana
    Has an AET not been the golden goal in any major tournament in the last 5 years? They even did away with silver goal!

    Straight to PKS means the next round of matches are even.
     
  24. dinamo_zagreb

    dinamo_zagreb Member+

    Jun 27, 2010
    San Jose, CA / Zagreb, Croatia
    Club:
    --other--
    Country:
    Croatia
    I am all against extra-time. If 90 minutes time isn't enough to get a winner, penalties should commence immediately after FT. Additional 30 mins is in most cases waste of time (and boring too) with players thinking only about penalties.
     
  25. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Country:
    United States

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