News: 2015 Gold Cup qualifiers

Discussion in 'Gold Cup' started by Paul Calixte, Jan 30, 2014.

  1. drt2k3

    drt2k3 Member

    Jul 1, 2005
    Wilmington, NC
    Club:
    Wilmington H.
    Does anyone know what the order of tiebreakers are in carribean cup qualifying?
     
  2. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Country:
    United States
    Historically it's been head-to-head first, GD and the rest later. I haven't seen any announcement of it changing for this tournament.
     
  3. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Country:
    United States
    Caribbean Cup qualifying is done, and here are the groups for the Finals in Jamaica:

    Group A

    Cuba
    Trinidad and Tobago
    French Guiana
    Curaçao

    Group B

    Jamaica
    Martinique
    Haiti
    Antigua and Barbuda
     
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  4. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Country:
    United States
    Based on the order Wikipedia has for Group 8, the first tiebreaker is goal differential. St. Kitts and Nevis (4 points, +0) was eliminated despite beating French Guiana (4 points, +1).

    I think Group B has better teams than Group A.
     
  5. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Country:
    United States
    That's the only way the Guyanese reaction makes any sense...unless they celebrated without checking the rules first, à la South Africa in 2012 AFCON qualifying.
     
  6. Paul Calixte

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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Country:
    United States
    Hold on: there's now a counterclaim (in French) that St. Kitts and Nevis went through on head-to-head. I'll wait for the CFU to clear things up tomorrow...
     
  7. Blastow

    Blastow Member

    Mar 19, 2010
    Kyiv, Ukraine
    Club:
    FC Dynamo Kyiv
    Country:
    Ukraine
    looked at the previous tournament. In the first round of group 2 when the 3 team earned 6 points: first became Guyana (6-3, +3), and the second St. Vincent and the Grenadines (6-2, +4).
    It turns out that in the first place the personal duels. From this it follows that now St. Kitts and Nevis should go to the next round.
     
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  8. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Country:
    United States
    And Manchester City didn't know the tiebreakers in the 2013-2014 UEFA Champions League.

    I didn't think about looking at tiebreakers from the previous round. I gave you rep.
     
  9. drt2k3

    drt2k3 Member

    Jul 1, 2005
    Wilmington, NC
    Club:
    Wilmington H.
    Here are the projected points after Caribbean Cup Qualifying (Current points on left, projected points on right):

    988 Costa Rica 990
    963 Mexico 954
    936 USA 877

    374 T & T 598
    540 Panama 546
    534 Guatemala 516

    411 Antigua and Barbuda 478
    535 Honduras 477

    431 El Salvador 413
    295 Dominican Republic 405
    266 Haiti 360
    301 St Vincent & the Gren 302
    257
    Cuba 286
    321 Jamaica 284
    276 St Kitts and Nevs 279
    265 Canada 267
    233 Aruba 218
    256 St Lucia 197

    209 Grenada 176
    112 Barbados 172
    164 Curacao 171

    175 Suriname 167
    148 Guyana 148
    126 Puerto Rico 119
    103 Belize 99
    83 Nicaragua 90
    86 Montserratt 86
    83 Bermuda 83

    66 Turks and Caicos Islands 66
    89 Dominica 53
    26 Bahamas 26
    23 Cayman Islands 23
    28 US Virgin Islands 20
    13 British Virgin Islands 8
    1 Anguilla 2

    Will do one more update after tomorrow friendlies

    S. Korea v. Costa Rica
    El Salvador v. Ecuador
    USA v. Honduras
    Peru v. Guatemala
    Canada v. Colombia (A Canada win would put them in the Top 6 of a Round 3 Draw)
     
  10. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Country:
    United States
    The CFU have called it: French Guiana are confirmed for the finals. Either the rules got changed mid-tournament (in which case, I hope that the teams were duly informed) or the CFU will have to issue an embarrassing retraction in a couple days' time.
     
  11. Paul Calixte

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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Country:
    United States
    Ah...I misread your post - sorry about that.

    This is the first instance in this tournament in which applying the H2H tiebreaker would give us a different result than total GD, so perhaps the CFU switched to goal difference ahead of the tournament. I'll ask them on their Facebook page just in case.
     
  12. drt2k3

    drt2k3 Member

    Jul 1, 2005
    Wilmington, NC
    Club:
    Wilmington H.
    Here are the final projected points after all CONCACAF October matches (Current points on left, projected points on right):



    988 Costa Rica 974
    963 Mexico 954
    936 USA 862

    374 T & T 598
    540 Panama 546
    535 Honduras 480

    411 Antigua and Barbuda 478
    534 Guatemala 466

    295 Dominican Republic 405
    431 El Salvador 392
    266 Haiti 360
    301 St Vincent & the Gren 302
    257
    Cuba 286
    321 Jamaica 284
    276 St Kitts and Nevs 279
    265 Canada 251
    233 Aruba 218
    256 St Lucia 197

    209 Grenada 176
    112 Barbados 172
    164 Curacao 171

    175 Suriname 167
    148 Guyana 148
    126 Puerto Rico 119
    103 Belize 99
    83 Nicaragua 90
    86 Montserratt 86
    83 Bermuda 83

    66 Turks and Caicos Islands 66
    89 Dominica 53
    26 Bahamas 26
    23 Cayman Islands 23
    28 US Virgin Islands 20
    13 British Virgin Islands 8
    1 Anguilla 2
     
  13. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Country:
    United States
    The schedule for the Caribbean Cup finals has now been released, and we can confirm that 1) overall GD is the first tiebreaker, as French Guiana are going to participate and 2) no semifinals or Fifth Place Match will be played.
     
  14. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Country:
    United States
    The top two in Group A have an advantage of having 1 more day rest before the Final and Third Place game.
     
  15. italiancbr

    italiancbr Member

    Apr 15, 2007
    I can understand not having a semifinal round and going straight to the finals because teams want their best players for this tournament and the international match calendar is only so many days long before clubs want their players back. In a way it makes each group game that much more important because there aren't any second chances. But why not have a tripleheader on the last matchday and include a fifth-placed game? I mean if you're going to have a CFU-UNCAF playoff for the last Gold Cup place, why not take it more seriously?
     
  16. Catracho_Azul

    Catracho_Azul Member+

    Jun 16, 2008
    New Orleans
    Club:
    Corinthians Sao Paulo
    Country:
    Honduras
    Lol I seriously feel bad for the playoff bound CFU team.
     
  17. SJJ

    SJJ Member

    Sep 20, 1999
    Royal Oak, MI, USA
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Country:
    United States
    First of all, "We Global Football" just may be the stupidest name of a blogsite ever.

    And what has been dissected elsewhere in this forum, Canada's main problem is LOSING, not the fact that they get fewer chances at the 2.5-weighted points.

    I was at the USA-Canada Gold Cup match (my hometown of Detroit; on the Canadian border, no less). A very winnable (tie-able?) match. Canada failed. Now the website is complaining that Canada needs a "real draw" instead of the Concacaf method of placing teams in groups. Again, that is not Canada's main problem
     
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  18. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Country:
    United States
    In the Semifinals of qualifying for World Cup 2014, Canada got 1 points per game and a goal differential of -2 per game in their four games against Honduras and Panama. In the 16 Hexagonal games involving Honduras or Panama but not them playing each other, clubs playing Honduras or Panama got 1.5 points per game and a goal difference of about +0.2 per game.

    Not playing Gold Cup qualifiers could hurt Canada, but I'm not confident Canada would have qualified to a recent World Cup even with better seeding and/or qualifying draws.
     
  19. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Country:
    United States
    Trinidad and Tobago just beat French Guiana 4-2, and up to now, they're still the only team to win at the Caribbean Cup underway in Jamaica. They've qualified for the Gold Cup early with six points in Group A, and a tie between Cuba and Curaçao would give them first place in the group outright.
     
  20. Paul Calixte

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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Country:
    United States
    Cuba are in as well, after holding Trinidad and Tobago to a 0-0 draw to finish second in Group A.

    Just out of curiosity, @Catracho_Azul : if Honduras end up playing French Guiana, how do they go about calling up players? As far as FIFA is concerned, Honduras wouldn't have any official games in that matchday.
     
  21. Catracho_Azul

    Catracho_Azul Member+

    Jun 16, 2008
    New Orleans
    Club:
    Corinthians Sao Paulo
    Country:
    Honduras
    Dunno, would be a first.
     
  22. dinamo_zagreb

    dinamo_zagreb Member+

    Jun 27, 2010
    San Jose, CA / Zagreb, Croatia
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    --other--
    Country:
    Croatia
    Cr'ap, I so wanted to see French Guiana at the GC.
     
  23. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Country:
    United States
    Yes, but if it is when there are Euro qualifiers the European clubs with Honduras players won't have games then. It might be an issue for Hondurans in MLS especially if the USA doesn't play then.
     
  24. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Country:
    United States
    Then again, getting to host World Cup participants Honduras in Cayenne would be a huge experience for them, and the biggest game in their history until they: a) qualify for a Gold Cup, b) win a Caribbean Cup or c) win a French Overseas Cup.
     

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