2014 FIFA World Cup™ Semi-Finals: Germany vs Brazil| Tuesday, Jul 8, 3:00 PM

Tukafo · Jul 13, 2014

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Worked during the Confederations Cup like a Charm, and even in the newspapers in Europe they were saying how the energy they were getting from the crowd and the national anthem singing would make it almost impossible to beat Brazil at home.

Once Brazil started to play bad, then people started to look for excuses, the psychological one is always the easiest route to go. Look at football players then, they come in and are yelling at each other before the game, they are jumping around letting all that energy go. The Hakka? that's the ultimate show of energy and emotion, the more emotional the better...

This is where you start making the same mistake a lot are making, they are looking at results and then saying whatever they want because it fits the context.

Reality is that Regina Brandao, a sports psychologist since 1989, that has worked on the field of football since 1995, accompanied our selecao in 1998, 2002 and then the Portuguese team in 2004 and 2006 while in between working for various teams and having over 1000+ patients which are all football players has been with this team since the Confederations Cup.

And if you talk to anybody on that field, first thing they'll say is, when you see a psychologist on TV talking about the psychiatric state of somebody they have not consulted with, they are talking out of their asses because the producer asked them to.
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Good points. Must say though that the Haka is not a good comparison. The Haka is not a sudden, uncontrolled outburst of emotions, it's actually a carefully choreographed and often practiced routine like a song-and-dance number practiced by a Broadway ensemble.
I stand by it - It's detrimental to sporting success if you are not focussed and composed going into a competition. Olympic sprinters do not scream and shout on the track before a race. Federer and Djokovic didn't come onto the Wimbledon pitch while screaming songs. Here are the first two articles I found while googling this, there are many many more. These articles are from after the Mexico game and after the Chile game and people already warned that the emotional displays are detrimental to success

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/04/brazil-emotional-win-world-cup-neymar
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/s...azil-start-to-feel-the-pressure-30363147.html

You say it worked at the Confed Cup. I say that it didn't. Brazil won the Confed Cup despite doing this, not because of doing this. Good teams can beat weaker teams even if their preparations are not ideal. If Germany play Austria then Germany will win even if Toni Kroos suffers from a massive hangover. The Confed Cup in retrospect turned out to be just a puff of air because of the quality of teams that participated. Spain, Italy and to a certain extent Uruguay all had poor World Cups. The Confed Cup had none of the teams that actually dominated the World Cup

guri · Jul 13, 2014

MatthausSammer · Jul 17, 2014

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While everyone in Brazil is hitting the reset button, and claiming how horrible this team is, I'm actually doing the sane thing.. I'm doing what the Germans did in 2000 and 2004.. saying guys look it's not that bad we have to keep working on it and we don't need to get rid of all of our players and start over..

If Germany was Brazil back in 2000.. Ballack would never walk back into the pitch for Germany
If Germany was Brazil back in 2004... Lahm, Ballack again, Schweinsteiger, Podolski, Klose would have never had another shot.

Keeping an even head and not blaming players and coaches, and looking for progress is the right thing to do, you can't win every tournament every time. That's the Brazilian way, if we don't we explode.

Would you believe that the reaction to this loss in Brazil has been better than the reaction to a 2 x 1 loss in 2010? Because it has!
Would you believe that the reaction from the FA in this loss is the same as the reaction from 2010?
Because it is!!

That needs to change, keeping an even head and looking past the scorelines and mistakes has to be done, look at the best you can take out of and a lesson and move on. We have the Dutch to play against today, and guess what.. they have finally changed the line-up to a more passing dominant lineup that doesn't rely on longballs.. Felipao moved on, but Brazil will move on from him.

EDIT: By the way just a reminder, Germany also played in 2006-2008-2010-2012... tournaments all lost with the same core of players.. In Brazil that core would have been broken up a LONG time ago.
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With all due respect, Guigs, we were pretty clearly trying to slam the reset button in 2000 and 2004; we implemented rather large scale, top-down reforms within the Bundesliga, we got a new young coach who seemed to have some fresh ideas in Klinnsmann, we stopped calling up a lot of the older, past-their-prime players, etc. In fact, in some ways we hit the reset button in a more fundamental, earth-shattering way as an organization than Brazil has.

Tukafo · Jul 17, 2014

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EDIT: By the way just a reminder, Germany also played in 2006-2008-2010-2012... tournaments all lost with the same core of players.. In Brazil that core would have been broken up a LONG time ago.
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You can't compare the mindset of the German public (or anoy other public in any country) to the mindset you claim exists in Brazil. The German public likes to win trophies but it doesn't define itself purely through it. A team is not a failure just because it doesn't win a Euro or WC. And I somehow doubt that the Brazilian public is really any different because otherwise they would spend far too much time being utterly miserable. WC wins are rare, even for Brazil and if Brazilians would really see their players as utter falures and losers just because they didn't win a WC then Brazilians would hate their footballers the vast majority of times.
The current situation will prove if this attitude you describe really exists. Never before has a Brazilian team been so humiliated in a World Cup and it even happened at home. If what you say is right then no player from that team will ever play for Brazil again except Neymar who missed both the Germany and Holand game. Somehow I doubt that will happen.

Cris 09 · Jul 17, 2014

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While everyone in Brazil is hitting the reset button, and claiming how horrible this team is, I'm actually doing the sane thing.. I'm doing what the Germans did in 2000 and 2004.. saying guys look it's not that bad we have to keep working on it and we don't need to get rid of all of our players and start over..

If Germany was Brazil back in 2000.. Ballack would never walk back into the pitch for Germany
If Germany was Brazil back in 2004... Lahm, Ballack again, Schweinsteiger, Podolski, Klose would have never had another shot.
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Can't hit the reset button every four years. The reset button was hit...back in 2000-2001, and everyone, players, fans and the DFB knew this would be a long way to the title. Titles don't just "happen" - for the most part.

Perhaps if we did not win this in 2014, some might have considered this a failure after 2006 (3rd), 2008 (2nd), 2010 (3rd) and 2012 (semi). The past 4 tournaments were stepping stones to the title. You can't just see things are broken and expect to fix it in 4 years with a Euro right smack between it.

Guigs · Jul 17, 2014

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Can't hit the reset button every four years. The reset button was hit...back in 2000-2001, and everyone, players, fans and the DFB knew this would be a long way to the title. Titles don't just "happen" - for the most part.

Perhaps if we did not win this in 2014, some might have considered this a failure after 2006 (3rd), 2008 (2nd), 2010 (3rd) and 2012 (semi). The past 4 tournaments were stepping stones to the title. You can't just see things are broken and expect to fix it in 4 years with a Euro right smack between it.
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But Brazil hits the reset button every 4 years... every time... Just look at what happened today, they hired a new coordinator for CBF and his first thing was to say we're in it for the long run with the next coach, he'll have all 4 years to prepare for the next world cup..

Guigs · Jul 17, 2014

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With all due respect, Guigs, we were pretty clearly trying to slam the reset button in 2000 and 2004; we implemented rather large scale, top-down reforms within the Bundesliga, we got a new young coach who seemed to have some fresh ideas in Klinnsmann, we stopped calling up a lot of the older, past-their-prime players, etc. In fact, in some ways we hit the reset button in a more fundamental, earth-shattering way as an organization than Brazil has.
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Brazil fires everyone of their directors after every loss.. just like they did now, they even fired the doctor! But the mentality doesn't change.

celito · Jul 17, 2014

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Brazil fires everyone of their directors after every loss.. just like they did now, they even fired the doctor! But the mentality doesn't change.
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Many of those guys were there for a while through losses. Rodrigo Paiva was there for 12 years.

The reset now is probably good if it leads to a period of stability in the way things are ran. But some changes are needed.

As for coaches they never stay on even if we win.

Pipiolo · Jul 17, 2014

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Analyzing future players and coaches is what Brazil does after every tournament loss, which is why we can't progress and only win based on talent.

You sure you don't work for CBF?
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The actual teams that go to the WC however always feature many familiar players. From WC90 to WC94, and WC94 to Wc98, then from WC98 to WC02, from WC02 to WC06, and so forth. In fact, the WC10 team is an exception with a completely revamped squad from WC10 (only Julio Cesar and Alves/Maicon repeating), and perhaps that was a big part of their downfall - very little WC experience plus a team that had some shockingly poor players.

celito · Jul 17, 2014

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The actual teams that go to the WC however always feature many familiar players. From WC90 to WC94, and WC94 to Wc98, then from WC98 to WC02, from WC02 to WC06, and so forth. In fact, the WC10 team is an exception with a completely revamped squad from WC10 (only Julio Cesar and Alves/Maicon repeating), and perhaps that was a big part of their downfall - very little WC experience plus a team that had some shockingly poor players.
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This is true.

Lost 82 - 86 had Zico, Socrates, Falcao, Oscar, Junior, Edinho, Eder would have been there had him not gotten into that fight, Careca would have been in 82 had him not been injured.

90 needed renewal obviously because that core got old.

Lost 90 - 94 had Taffarel, Jorginho, Ricardo Gomes, Branco, Romario, Bebeto, Aldair, Mazinho, Dunga, Ricardo Rocha, Muller

Lost 98 - 02 had RC, Cafu, Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Denilson ... much of the other players changed because of age.

'10 had to change a bit again because of age (Ronaldo, RC, Cafu) and some individual players throwing their careers down the drain (Adriano / Ronaldinho).

Franklin Rizzo · Jul 18, 2014

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Brazil fires everyone of their directors after every loss.. just like they did now, they even fired the doctor!
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Cuz he didn't get Neymar to build any muscle around his vertebraes!

Guigs · Jul 18, 2014

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Cuz he didn't get Neymar to build any muscle around his vertebraes!
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Neither did Barca or Santos' doctors! Should they also be fired!?

I actually think he got fired for not allowing Neymar back into the World Cup. He's the best orthopedic surgeon in Brazil and one of the most recognized in the world, specially when it comes to sports medicine.

White/Blue_since1860 · Jul 18, 2014

question for the Brazilgeeks:

Is there any word on what could happen apart from exchanging the managing personnel? Youth program, coach formation etc?

benztown · Jul 18, 2014

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question for the Brazilgeeks:

Is there any word on what could happen apart from exchanging the managing personnel? Youth program, coach formation etc?
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From what I hear, the biggest issue seems to be the league itself.