2014-2015 Transfer Thread

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  1. Kaka10725

    Kaka10725 Member+

    Jun 1, 2007
    Danilo is very different than Alves. He's more Maicon if anything.
     
  2. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
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    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    Danilo played meia a lot in santos.

    And I don't think he's comparing based on how they play, but their impact, such as a RB that will be there a longtime
     
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  3. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
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    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    The fact he mentions how he's complete and attacks and defends wel suggests otherwise.
     
  4. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
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    You're still looking at a player that won best RB in the world 3 years in a row, recently. That's a compliment, which is where Roberto Carlos probably wanted to go with his comment.

    No other RB has done what Alves done recently. So to compare him to D.Alves is to compare him to the most successful RB in European history.
     
  5. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
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    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Phillip Lahm, a current player, not even historical, has had a much more successful career overall and is the better player right now and has been for years, so I don't see how Alves comes even close to the title of most successful RB in European history.
     
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  6. Mengão86

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    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    That's considering that those awards reflect reality, which in many cases, they don't.

    Most successful RB in European history? If you are going off purely accolades, Gary Neville has him beat.
     
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  7. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
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    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    Phillip Lahm hasn't been recently voted 3 years in a row best RB in the world, only D. Alves has done that.

    that's how I came to this conclusion... Oh also the titles.
     
  8. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
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    Then we shouldn't add any award in any discussions, I think the Ballon D'Or has turned into a circus and a "best offensive player in the world" yet people still use that as the way to judge talent.
     
  9. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
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    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
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    Borussia Dortmund
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    Germany
    Voted "best RB in the world"? You don't think marketability and popularity has just as much to do with that as performance? Really?
     
  10. Mengão86

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    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
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    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Just curious -- who has gotten a raw deal in the Balon d'Or voting then? I think most would agree that offensive players were the best in the world for the past 7-8 years.

    In general, I do agree. It took a ridiculous WC by Cannavaro to breakthrough.
     
  11. MatthausSammer

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    Dec 9, 2012
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    Borussia Dortmund
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    Germany
    I'd absolutely be A-okay with that.
     
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  12. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
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    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    Me too, but it's an impossibility. Those awards are accolades for a reason.
     
  13. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    Club:
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    I can't agree with that, we've seen dominant defending from more than 1 player (Ramos and T.Silva) and dominant GK from Buffon and Neuer.

    We've also seen Xavi!! I MEAN ********ING XAVI!!! and he gets no best player?
     
  14. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
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    Made FIFPro 3 years in a row, that's not easy to do. Can't deny that
     
  15. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
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    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
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    Borussia Dortmund
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    Germany
    Why should awards which are proven popularity contests mean anything while assessing on-field performance though?
     
  16. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
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    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    The fact that Alves won those three straight awards in years where he declined and clearly didn't deserve them tells the story (especially in 2013). The fact Alves had been in very good form prior to that and was playing on the best team on the planet led to those awards (like you said, popularity). Alves' best years for Barca were in 2008-10 and he only won once during those years. Heck, he was better at Sevilla than he was at Barca during 2011-13.
     
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  17. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
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    Dec 9, 2012
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    Germany
    Regardless of how difficult or easy it is, I don't consider the FIFPro XI to be at all valid when assessing a player's performance.
     
  18. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
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    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Which years were either Ramos or Silva more dominant than their offensive counterparts?

    I agree that the awards are biased against goalkeepers. That's another story. This past year's award probably should have gone to Neuer.
     
  19. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
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    It has its value I believe. FIFPro to me is more valid than Ballon D'Or since it judges based on position.
     
  20. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
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    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    How so? They don't always select defensive midfielders or left backs some years. It's almost as bad as the Pro Bowl. The only reason it isn't is because players opt out from the Pro Bowl and the sixth alternate gets Pro Bowl recognition. Anyways, the concept (initial selection of Pro Bowl players) are basically the same -- popularity, member on hottest team, etc. factor into the decision more than actual level of play. In most cases, even stats don't backup the selections.
     
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  21. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    Forgot to add Puyol to that list, and his influence is clear.

    During the time of Silva and Nesta in AC Milan, Silva clearly out shone much of his offensive counter parts. The Milan Defense was straight up solid and most of the reason for that was him.
     
  22. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    At least they give more options

    GK, DF, MF, FW

    instead of .. just forwards and somebody from another position that had his best year EVER

    By the way defensive lineman make the Pro Bowl and get contracts based on that. They'll never win MVP even if they don't give up a sac all year.

    MVP is not as fair as PRO Bowl.
     
  23. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
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    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    So are you saying Silva was better than CR7 and Messi in any year from 2009-2012?
     
  24. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    Yes I am, for his position he was more dominant than the latter for their position 2010-2011 season for example. Silva was more important for his team than the other 2 was for their team also.
     
  25. JoãozinhoFutebol

    Feb 16, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Egidio signed for Palmeiras??? Excess...
     
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