1. Rank your eight predicted group winners for their knockout round seeds by points, then goal differential, then goals scored, then away goals scored, then wins, then away wins, and then drawing of lots (those are the seven tiebreakers according to Wikipedia). In case it wasn't clear, you can stop when all the ties get broken. You don't have to post all the tiebreakers for every group winner. 2. Post your predicted standings for each group. I need points but I don't need game scores or goal differentials other than what is required for Part 1. If you predict second and third to be tied on points (but not a three-way tie with first also), you can post who gets second on a tiebreaker if you want but I don't care about that. All the above must be made before the first Group Stage game on Tuesday August 5 at 8:00 P.M. USA Eastern. I'm not going to do score predictions until the Quarterfinals. Part 1: 6 points for being correct about a club's exact knockout rounds seed 5 points for being 1 or 2 off on a club's seed 4 points for being 3 or 4 off on a club's seed 3 points for being 5, 6, or 7 off on a club's seed 0 points for predicting a seed for a club that got eliminated in the Group Stage. Part 2: I'm evaluating standings predictions differently than I did for the 2013-2014 CONCACAF Champions League. I'm going by points off in the standings like I did for World Cup Qualifiers. Since there are 8 groups with only 6 games each, rather than evaluating each group separately I will add up how many points in the standings you were off for all 24 clubs combined. The best person will get 30 points and the worst person will get 0 points. Everybody else will be distributed proportionally. For example, if the best person is 40 points off for all the clubs combined and the worst person is 80 points off, everybody's score will be 30 - 0.75(x - 40) where x is how many points off that person was. If 30 divided by the gap between the best score and the worst score isn't a round number, I will round to the nearest hundredth. If the best person is 40 points off and the worst person is 81 points off, 30/41 is a decimal with five repeating places. Part 1 and Part 2 will be worth 30% each and the Knockout Rounds will be worth 40%.
Okay, let's see if I can do this with minimal errors: Seed Group Winners: 1. Leon 12 Pts, +12 GD, 12 GS, 4 AGS, 4 Wins, 4 AW, 2. DC United 10 Pts, +8 GD, 10 GS, 3 AGS, 3 Wins, 1 AW, 3. America 10 Pts, +5 GD, 6 GS, 2 AGS, 3 Wins, 1 AW, 4. Sporting KC 10 Pts, +4 GD, 6 GS, 1 AGS, 3 Wins, 1 AW 5. Portland 9 Pts, +6 GD, 8 GS, 2 AGS, 3 Wins, 1 AW 6. Pachuca 8 Pts, +5 GD, 7 GS, 1 AGS, 2 Wins, 0 AW 7. New York RB 7 Pts, +2 GD, 6 GS, 2 AGS, 2 Wins, 0 AW 8. Alajuense, 7 Pts, +2 GD, 5 GS, 1 AGS, 2 Wins, 0 AW Group 1: Pachuca, 2 W, 2 T, 0 L, 8 Pts, 7 GF, 2 GA, +5 GD Municipal 1 W, 1 T, 2 L, 4 Pts, 4 GF, 6 GA, -2 GD Real Espana 1 W, 1 T, 2 L, 4 Pts, 3 GF, 6 GA, -3 GD Group 2: Sporting KC, 3 W, 1 T, 0 L, 10 Pts, 6 GF, 2 GA, +4 GD Saprissa 1 W, 2 T, 1 L, 4 Pts, 4 GF, 4 GA, 0 GD Real Estelli 0 W, 1 T, 3 L, 1 Pt, 1 GF, 5 GA, -4 GD Group 3: New York RB, 2 W, 1 T, 1 L, 7 Pts, 6 GF, 4 GA, +2 GD Montreal 2 W, 1 T, 1 L, 7 Pts, 5 GF 4 GA, +1 GD FAS 0 W, 2 T, 2 L, 2 Pts, 3 GF, 6 GA, -3 GD Group 4: DC United, 3 W, 1 T, 0 L, 10 Pts, 10 GF, 2 GA, +8 GD Tauro 2 W, 1 T, 1 L, 7 Pts, 4 GF, 3 GA, +1 GD Waterhouse 0 W, 1 T, 3 L, 1 Pt, 1 GF, 10 GA, -9 GD Group 5: Portland, 3 W, 0 T, 1 L, 9 Pts, 8 GF, 2 GA, +6 GD Olimpia 3 W, 0 T, 1 L, 9 Pts, 6 GF, 3 GA, +3 GD Alpha United 0 W, 0 T, 4 L, 0 Pts, 0 GF, 9 GA, -9 GD Group 6: Alajuenese, 2 W, 1 T, 1 L, 7 Pts, 5 GF, 3 GA, +2 GD Cruz Azul 2 W, 0 T, 2 L, 6 Pts, 8 GF, 4 GA, +4 GD Chorillo 1 W, 1 T, 2 L, 4 Pts, 2 GF, 8 GA, -6 GD Group 7: Leon, 4 W, 0 T, 0 L, 12 Pts, 12 GF, 0 GA, +12 GD Isidro Meapan 2 W, 0 T, 2 L, 6 Pts, 4 GF, 4 GA, 0 GD Belmopan 0 W, 0 T, 4 L, 0 Pts, 1 GF, 13 GA, -12 GD Group 8: America, 3 W, 1 T, 0 L, 10 Pts, 6 GF, 1 GA, +5 GD Communiciones 2 W, 1 T, 1 L, 7 Pts, 5 GF, 6 GA, -1 GD Baymon 0 W, 0 T, 4 L, 0 Pts, 1 GF, 5 GA, -4 GD
@Revolt I found a minor mistake and a major mistake. The minor mistake is that you gave Saprissa 4 points but their record would be 5 points. The major mistake is that you predicted the clubs in Group 4 to have 5 wins, 3 draws, and 4 losses.
Tauro didn't do well in their most recent season in Panama, and Waterhouse doesn't have CONCACAF Champions League experience, so I'm predicting D.C. United to be the top seed. I'm not predicting exact goal differentials, just what order I think they will be in among group winners with the same number of points: 1. D.C. United: 12 points 2. Leon: 10 points 3. Cruz Azul: 10 points 4. Club America: 10 points 5. Pachuca: 10 points 6. New York Red Bulls: 10 points 7. Sporting Kansas City: 8 points 8. Portland: 8 points Group 1: Pachuca: 10 points Real Espana: 7 points Municipal: 0 points Group 2: Sporting Kansas City: 8 points Saprissa: 7 points Real Esteli: 1 points Group 3: New York Red Bulls: 10 points Montreal Impact: 7 points FAS: 0 points Group 4: D.C. United: 12 points Tauro: 4 points Waterhouse: 1 point Group 5: Portland Timbers: 8 points (wins group on goal differential) Olimpia: 8 points Alpha United: 0 points Group 6: Cruz Azul: 10 points Alajuelense: 5 points Chorrillo: 1 point Group 7: Leon: 10 points Isidro Metapan: 7 points Belmopan Bandits: 0 points Group 8: Club America: 10 points Comunicaciones: 7 points Bayamon: 0 points
Goals and away wins, etc. is a lot of guessing, hipefully I can get enough poings with out all that. 1. Leon: 12 points 2. D.C. United: 10 points 3. Cruz Azul: 9 points 4. Pachuca: 9 points 5. Montreal: 9 points 6. Portland: 9 points 7. Comunicaciones: 9 points 8. Kansas City: 7 points Group 1: Pachuca: 9 points +10 Real Espana: 5 points -4 Municipal: 2 points -6 Group 2: Sporting Kansas City: 7 points +4 Saprissa: 7 points +2 Real Esteli: 2 points -6 Group 3: Montreal Impact: 9 points +5 New York Red Bulls: 9 points +3 FAS: 0 points -8 Group 4: D.C. United: 10 points +5 Tauro: 4 points 0 Waterhouse: 0 point -5 Group 5: Portland Timbers: 9 points +5 Olimpia: 9 points +3 Alpha United: 0 points -8 Group 6: Cruz Azul: 9 points +10 Alajuelense: 7 points +3 Chorrillo: 1 point -13 Group 7: Leon: 12 points +12 Isidro Metapan: 6 points -2 Belmopan Bandits: 0 points -10 Group 8: Comunicaciones: 9 points +4 Club America: 9 points +3 Bayamon: 0 points -7
Seed Group Winners: 1. Leon 12 Pts, +11 GD, 12 GS, 2. America 12 Pts, +9 GD, 10 GS 3. Pachuca 10 Pts, +10 GD, 12 GS 4. Cruz Azul 10 Pts, +9 GD, 11 GS 5. DC United 10 Pts, +6 GD, 10 GS 6. Portland 10 Pts, +6 GD, 8 GS, 7. Sporting KC 10 Pts, +5 GD, 6 GS, 8. New York RB 8 Pts, +3 GD, 6 GS Group 1: Pachuca, 3 W, 1 T, 0 L, 10 Pts, 12 GF, 2 GA, +10 GD Real Espana 1 W, 2 T, 1 L, 5 Pts, 3 GF, 6 GA, -3 GD Municipal 0 W, 1 T, 3 L, 1 Pt, 1 GF, 8 GA, -7 GD Group 2: Sporting KC, 3 W, 1 T, 0 L, 10 Pts, 6 GF, 1 GA, +5 GD Saprissa 2 W, 1 T, 1 L, 7 Pts, 4 GF, 2 GA, 2 GD Real Estelli 0 W, 0 T, 4 L, 0 Pt, 0 GF, 7 GA, -7 GD Group 3: New York RB, 2 W, 2 T, 0 L, 8 Pts, 6 GF, 4 GA, +3 GD Montreal 1 W, 2 T, 1 L, 5 Pts, 5 GF 4 GA, +1 GD FAS 0 W, 2 T, 2 L, 2 Pts, 2 GF, 6 GA, -4 GD Group 4: DC United, 3 W, 1 T, 0 L, 10 Pts, 10 GF, 2 GA, +6 GD Tauro 2 W, 1 T, 1 L, 7 Pts, 4 GF, 3 GA, +1 GD Waterhouse 0 W, 1 T, 3 L, 1 Pt, 1 GF, 8 GA, -7 GD Group 5: Portland, 3 W, 0 T, 1 L, 9 Pts, 8 GF, 2 GA, +6 GD Olimpia 3 W, 0 T, 1 L, 9 Pts, 6 GF, 3 GA, +3 GD Alpha United 0 W, 0 T, 4 L, 0 Pts, 0 GF, 9 GA, -9 GD Group 6: Cruz Azul 3 W, 1 T, 0 L, 10 Pts, 11 GF, 2 GA, +9 GD Alajuenese, 2 W, 1 T, 1 L, 7 Pts, 5 GF, 5 GA, 0 GD Chorillo 0 W, 0 T, 0 L, 0 Pts, 1 GF, 10 GA, -9 GD Group 7: Leon, 4 W, 0 T, 0 L, 12 Pts, 12 GF, 1 GA, +11 GD Isidro Metapan 2 W, 0 T, 2 L, 6 Pts, 5 GF, 4 GA, 1 GD Belmopan 0 W, 0 T, 4 L, 0 Pts, 1 GF, 13 GA, -12 GD Group 8: America, 4 W, 0 T, 0 L, 12 Pts, 10 GF, 1 GA, +9 GD Communiciones 2 W, 2 T, 0 L, 6 Pts, 5 GF, 6 GA, -1 GD Baymon 0 W, 0 T, 4 L, 0 Pts, 1 GF, 9 GA, -8 GD
Bump. All Group Stage predictions must be made by 8:00 P.M. USA Eastern on Tuesday August 5. @Revolt needs to redo his Group 4 predictions.
Ranking of #1 teams 1. Cruz Azul: 12 points 2. D.C. United: 12 points 3. Club America: 12 points 2. Leon: 10 points 5. Pachuca: 10 points 6. New York: 10 points 7. Portland: 10 points 8. Kansas City: 9 points Group 1: Pachuca: 10 points Real Espana: 4 points Municipal: 3 points Group 2: Kansas City: 9 points (win group on GD) Saprissa: 9 points Real Esteli: 0 points Group 3: New York: 10 points Montreal Impact: 5 points FAS: 1 points Group 4: D.C. United: 12 points Tauro: 6 points Waterhouse: 0 point Group 5: Portland Timbers: 10 points Olimpia: 7 points Alpha United: 0 points Group 6: Cruz Azul: 12 points Alajuelense: 6 points Chorrillo: 0 point Group 7: Leon: 10 points Isidro Metapan: 7 points Belmopan Bandits: 0 points Group 8: Club America: 12 points Comunicaciones: 6 points Bayamon: 0 points
1. Club America: 12 points 2. Leon: 10 points 3. Cruz Azul: 10 points 4. Pachuca: 10 points 5. DC United: 10 points 6. Montreal Impact: 10 points 7. Saprissa: 8 points 8. Portland: 8 points Group 1: Pachuca: 10 points Real Espana: 7 points Municipal: 0 points Group 2: Saprissa: 8 points Sporting Kansas City: 7 points Real Esteli: 1 points Group 3: Montreal Impact: 10 points N Y Redbulls: 7 points FAS: 0 points Group 4: D.C. United: 10 points Tauro: 4 points Waterhouse: 0 points Group 5: Portland Timbers: 8 points (goal diff) Olimpia: 8 points Alpha United: 0 points Group 6: Cruz Azul: 10 points Alajuelense: 5 points Chorrillo: 1 point Group 7: Leon: 10 points Isidro Metapan: 7 points Belmopan Bandits: 0 points Group 8: Club America: 12 points Comunicaciones: 6 points Bayamon: 0 points
@Revolt and @jared9999 Both of you need to fix your Group 4 predictions by 8:00 P.M. USA Eastern tonight. jared9999 has Group 4 adding up to 14 points, which means 4 of the 6 games would have to be draws, but since he predicted the last place team to have 0 points that allows for at most 2 draws.
Seed Group Winners: 1. Leon 12 Pts, +12 GD, 12 GS, 4 AGS, 4 Wins, 4 AW, 2. DC United 10 Pts, +8 GD, 10 GS, 3 AGS, 3 Wins, 1 AW, 3. America 10 Pts, +5 GD, 6 GS, 2 AGS, 3 Wins, 1 AW, 4. Sporting KC 10 Pts, +4 GD, 6 GS, 1 AGS, 3 Wins, 1 AW 5. Portland 9 Pts, +6 GD, 8 GS, 2 AGS, 3 Wins, 1 AW 6. Pachuca 8 Pts, +5 GD, 7 GS, 1 AGS, 2 Wins, 0 AW 7. New York RB 7 Pts, +2 GD, 6 GS, 2 AGS, 2 Wins, 0 AW 8. Alajuense, 7 Pts, +2 GD, 5 GS, 1 AGS, 2 Wins, 0 AW Group 1: Pachuca, 2 W, 2 T, 0 L, 8 Pts, 7 GF, 2 GA, +5 GD Municipal 1 W, 1 T, 2 L, 4 Pts, 4 GF, 6 GA, -2 GD Real Espana 1 W, 1 T, 2 L, 4 Pts, 3 GF, 6 GA, -3 GD Group 2: Sporting KC, 3 W, 1 T, 0 L, 10 Pts, 6 GF, 2 GA, +4 GD Saprissa 1 W, 2 T, 1 L, 4 Pts, 5 GF, 4 GA, 0 GD Real Estelli 0 W, 1 T, 3 L, 1 Pt, 1 GF, 5 GA, -4 GD Group 3: New York RB, 2 W, 1 T, 1 L, 7 Pts, 6 GF, 4 GA, +2 GD Montreal 2 W, 1 T, 1 L, 7 Pts, 5 GF 4 GA, +1 GD FAS 0 W, 2 T, 2 L, 2 Pts, 3 GF, 6 GA, -3 GD Group 4: DC United, 3 W, 1 T, 0 L, 10 Pts, 10 GF, 2 GA, +8 GD Tauro 1 W, 2 T, 1 L, 5 Pts, 4 GF, 3 GA, +1 GD Waterhouse 0 W, 1 T, 3 L, 1 Pt, 1 GF, 10 GA, -9 GD Group 5: Portland, 3 W, 0 T, 1 L, 9 Pts, 8 GF, 2 GA, +6 GD Olimpia 3 W, 0 T, 1 L, 9 Pts, 6 GF, 3 GA, +3 GD Alpha United 0 W, 0 T, 4 L, 0 Pts, 0 GF, 9 GA, -9 GD Group 6: Alajuenese, 2 W, 1 T, 1 L, 7 Pts, 5 GF, 3 GA, +2 GD Cruz Azul 2 W, 0 T, 2 L, 6 Pts, 8 GF, 4 GA, +4 GD Chorillo 1 W, 1 T, 2 L, 4 Pts, 2 GF, 8 GA, -6 GD Group 7: Leon, 4 W, 0 T, 0 L, 12 Pts, 12 GF, 0 GA, +12 GD Isidro Meapan 2 W, 0 T, 2 L, 6 Pts, 4 GF, 4 GA, 0 GD Belmopan 0 W, 0 T, 4 L, 0 Pts, 1 GF, 13 GA, -12 GD Group 8: America, 3 W, 1 T, 0 L, 10 Pts, 6 GF, 1 GA, +5 GD Communiciones 2 W, 1 T, 1 L, 7 Pts, 5 GF, 6 GA, -1 GD Baymon 0 W, 0 T, 4 L, 0 Pts, 1 GF, 5 GA, -4 GD
http://www.concacaf.com/article/cos...ano-earns-wildcard-replacement-bid-to-group-7 As I first read in the MLS News and Analysis forum, Belmopan Bandits have been kicked out and replaced by Herediano of Costa Rica. @Revolt @ceezmad @IASocFan @blacksun @jared9999 Please make new Group 7 predictions. You can change your predictions for the Leon-Isidro Metapan game if you want and need to make new predictions for the four games Herediano will play.
1. Leon: 12 points 2. D.C. United: 10 points 3. Cruz Azul: 9 points 4. Pachuca: 9 points 5. Montreal: 9 points 6. Portland: 9 points 7. Comunicaciones: 9 points 8. Kansas City: 7 points Group 1: Pachuca: 9 points +10 Real Espana: 5 points -4 Municipal: 2 points -6 Group 2: Sporting Kansas City: 7 points +4 Saprissa: 7 points +2 Real Esteli: 2 points -6 Group 3: Montreal Impact: 9 points +5 New York Red Bulls: 9 points +3 FAS: 0 points -8 Group 4: D.C. United: 10 points +5 Tauro: 4 points 0 Waterhouse: 0 point -5 Group 5: Portland Timbers: 9 points +5 Olimpia: 9 points +3 Alpha United: 0 points -8 Group 6: Cruz Azul: 9 points +10 Alajuelense: 7 points +3 Chorrillo: 1 point -13 Group 7: Leon: 12 points +12 Isidro Metapan: 3 points -2 Herediano: 3 points -4 Group 8: Comunicaciones: 9 points +4 Club America: 9 points +3 Bayamon: 0 points -7
Group 7: Leon, 3 W, 1 T, 0 L, 10 Pts, 7 GF, 2 GA, +5 GD Herdidano 1 W, 2 T, 1 L, 5 Pts, 5 GF, 4 GA, +1 GD Isidro Metapan 0 W, 1 T, 3 L, 1 Pt, 1 GF, 7 GA, -6 GD Belmopan 0 W, 0 T, 0 L, 0 Pts, 0 GF, o GA, 0 GD 1. DC United 10 Pts, +8 GD, 10 GS, 3 AGS, 3 Wins, 1 AW, 2. Leon 10 Pts, +5 GD, 7 GS, 2 AGS, 3 Wins, 2 AW, 3. America 10 Pts, +5 GD, 6 GS, 2 AGS, 3 Wins, 1 AW, 4. Sporting KC 10 Pts, +4 GD, 6 GS, 1 AGS, 3 Wins, 1 AW 5. Portland 9 Pts, +6 GD, 8 GS, 2 AGS, 3 Wins, 1 AW 6. Pachuca 8 Pts, +5 GD, 7 GS, 1 AGS, 2 Wins, 0 AW 7. New York RB 7 Pts, +2 GD, 6 GS, 2 AGS, 2 Wins, 0 AW 8. Alajuense, 7 Pts, +2 GD, 5 GS, 1 AGS, 2 Wins, 0 AW
Ranking of #1 teams 1. Cruz Azul: 12 points 2. D.C. United: 12 points 3. Club America: 12 points 4. Pachuca: 10 points 5. New York: 10 points 6. Portland: 10 points 7. Kansas City: 9 points 8. Leon: 8 points Group 7: Leon: 8 points Herediano: 3 points Isidro Metapan: 3 points
Here are the results of the seed predictions out of 30 points: 1. jared9999: 15.625 (5 Quarterfinalists correct) 2. Revolt: 13.750 (4 Quarterfinals correct) 3. EvanJ: 10.625 (3 Quarterfinals correct) Tied 4. ceezmad: 9.375 (3 Quarterfinals correct) Tied 4. IASocFan: 9.375 (3 Quarterfinals correct) Tied 4. blacksun: 9.375 (3 Quarterfinals correct) The averages were 11.354 points and 3.5 Quarterfinalists correct. Here are the results of the points off in the standings predictions out of a possible 30 points: 1. Revolt: 30.000 (36 points off, perfect for Groups 5 and 8) 2. ceezmad: 15.000 (47 points off, perfect for Groups 2 and 5) 3. EvanJ: 13.636 (48 points off, perfect for Group 8) 4. IASocFan: 4.091 (55 points off, perfect for Group 5) Tied 5. blacksun: 0.000 (58 points off) Tied 5. jared9999: 0.000 (58 points off) @jared9999 jared9999's prediction for Group 4 were impossible. I was going to give him a 30/8 = 3.75 point penalty for this, but since his points off in the standings was tied for last which is worth 0 points, I'm going to give him 0 rather than -3.75. The fewer points off, the better. In terms of Points Off, here are the groups ranked from best predicted to worst predicted: 1. Group 5 2. Group 8 3. Group 2 4. Group 1 5. Group 6 6. Group 3 7. Group 7 8. Group 4 Here are the cumulative standings out of 60 points (the Knockout Rounds are worth 40 points): 1. Revolt: 43.750 2. ceezmad: 24.375 3. EvanJ: 24.261 4. jared9999: 15.625 5. IASocFan: 13.466 6. blacksun: 9.375 The mean is 21.809, and half the people were on each side of the mean.