2013 FIFA Confederations Cup: Elimination Rounds [R]

maybe we should add Chile and Paraguay too ... (Spain always had hard time with them LOL)

 

Lol that's funny other than brazil and argentina, no south american team has ever defeated spain in a friendly, or competitive game LOL!

 

Him? Wait, no he's French...

 

Wait till Spain gets a thrashing in the hands of Bolivia 5-0 LOLOL

 

As for the Euro vs WC debate, only 6 out of 13 European teams made it out of the group stages in the last WC. Spain gets many multigoal victories at the Euro, not so at the WC.

 

Spain's unstoppable next generation talent factory was defeated again, by Uruguay, at the U20 WC.
Along with their terrifying dominance at the Olympics, these performances prove all the assertions made by Spain fanboys of their next decade of unrivaled hegemony.
Right?

 

Brazil didn't even make it to that competition, what does that say about brazil?

 

Brazil has won the U-20 WC five (5) times, reached the last two finals and is the current champion.
What does THAT say about Brazil?

Please tell us about Spain's achievements... Or were they lost on that mythical "easy road to the final"?

 

All you wanted to talk about was Spain, and suddenly you want to talk about Brazil?
Gee, I wonder what changed?

 

Maybe y'all should start a "Spain vs. Brazil" thread . I think this one has run it's course.

 

That's twice that the U-21 and U-19 Uefa defending champions failed to make it to the semifinals of the U-20 WC. Proof that the next generation spanish players are overrated because they are riding the bandwagon of the senior team success.




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Brazil are confed champs.........Dont compare Brazil with such a weak team ( Spain )

 

Friends just wanted to know how the below formation is for Brazil:

caesar
alves-silva-dante-marcelo
fernando ( porto )
oscar-hernanes-Moura
neymar
fred

Fernando ( Porto ) is very good at tackling ....If he is deployed just before the defensive wall of silva and dante , will it not be brilliant ( air tight defense ).....I am not an expert here just asking ....

 

No, they aren`t.

For SpaniardFC's, OP, refering to the recent still being held under-20 WC, Brazil was dead last in its qualifier group, in their recent continental tournament participation (5th out of 5 teams, where only one of the teams whom actually made it to the WC, came out from it)
(maybe were Confed champions, but only from the bottom to the the top of it, ) .

 

Do you think Julio Cesar is still a top keeper? Going from Inter to Park Rangers is a bit of a drop, also he had his share of blame in the debacle against the Dutch at Wc10, though the media only seemed to focus on Felipe Melo.

I thought Navas skinned Marcelo in his 20 minutes of play, Marcelo is very good going forward but to me represents a big liability at the back, which may be compounded if D Alves also does not hold his position strongly.

 

Paulinho has to start. I don't give a damn whose ass you have to sit.

Along with Thiago Silva, Neymar and Oscar, Paulinho should be a lock in the starting 11.

 

I am sorry, but I will have to unfortunatelly side with SpaniardFC on this issue, due to the nonsense you just said.


If the U-20s are used to measure future generations of the Senior Team (that is, if the country has good players in the making to replace current Senior Squad players), and we are using Spain´s FAILURE in THIS U-20 to say Spain future senior squad is doomed, then its ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT to use past successes of Brazil´s U20 as an argument!!! The fact Brazil was U20 champion in 1993 means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to future Brazil senior squads.


We DO HAVE good arguments, so DO USE THEM instead of making stupid arguments regarding our past U20 conquests.


Good Argument number 1: we were U20 champions in 2011. Those players will be 23 in 2014, 27 in 2018. In other words, U20 Champions in 2011 will still be useful in 2-3 World Cups, so even if this entire generation that failed to qualify to the 2013 U20 World Cup is "scraped", we still have time to find new youth players before our current U20 CHAMPIONS generation retires.

Good Argument number 2: the backbone of our senior squad is pretty young. Neymar (21), Lucas Moura (20), Oscar (21)... they have plenty to offer before retiring and we needing to find good young players... unlike Spain (Xavi is 33, Iniesta is 29, Xabi is 31, Ramos is 27)

Good Argument number 3: Lucas Moura could have played the U20 qualifying and the story would probably be different.

Good Argument number 4: the blame can be on CBF. After Ney Franco doing a terrific job as u-20 coach, they replaced him with some unknown idiotic coach, who brought shame on the team in the u20. As soon as he was replaced by a more experienced coach (Alexandre Gallo), Brazil u20 won the Toulon Tournament AND the Valais Tournament.

Good Argument number 5: Brazil won the Toulon Tournament and the Valais tournament. Showing that the elimination in the S.American u20 was more due to bad management, wrong picking of players, etc, than an inherently bad generation.

 

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Where did I say "U-20s are used to measure future generations of the Senior Team"??

Where did I say that "Spain´s FAILURE in THIS U-20" means that "Spain future senior squad is doomed"??

Do you even READ? Good lord, next time, try to understand something called CONTEXT, [personal attack deleted by mod]

Your "good argument #1" is actually something I stated when I said "reached the last two finals, being the current champion".

If sucess in youth squads meant any sh*t for the Senior, Argentina wouldn't be since 1993 without winning something, having won five U20 WCs in that span.

 

When people talk about the next generation of Spanish players, they are generally talking about the likes of Isco, Javi Martinez, Mata, De Gea, etc. This is the "next generation" since guys like Iker, Xavi, Alonso, etc will need to be replaced soon.

These guys who just lost are only 18-19 years old indicating that it will still be another 10 years before Iraq and Ghana will outperform Spain at the senior level.

 

you talk about context, but its YOU who fails to see the context of the discussion.

PAY ATTENTION:

AmericanKaka is saying that Spain´s failures at youth level prove that spaniards talks about senior team hegemony in the next decade is bullshit, since they are not producing youths that can replace the ageing cracks like Xavi, Iniesta, Xabi, etc.

SpaniardFC correctly raises the point that if current youth teams were a basis to measure future success of senior squad, then WHERE THAT LEAVES BRAZIL, since our youth team did not even qualify for the U20 World Cup?
and to that, you make the RIDICULOUS, out of context reply:

which is utter nonsense, since having won 5 times the U20 WC means nothing in the development of our FUTURE (from now on) senior squad.

So next time, before attacking me with personal insults and absolutely ludicrous and illogical commentaries, try to pay attention to the discussion before, try to pay attention to context before.


So again, considering the discussion between AMERICANKAKA and SPANIARDFC, what would be the best answer to SpaniardFC regarding the future of Brazil, which however enforces AmericanKaka point that Spain is in deeper trouble considering their failure at youth levels???

Its the answers I POSTED:

Good Argument number 1: we were U20 champions in 2011. Those players will be 23 in 2014, 27 in 2018. In other words, U20 Champions in 2011 will still be useful in 2-3 World Cups, so even if this entire generation that failed to qualify to the 2013 U20 World Cup is "scraped", we still have time to find new youth players before our current U20 CHAMPIONS generation retires.

Good Argument number 2: the backbone of our senior squad is pretty young. Neymar (21), Lucas Moura (20), Oscar (21)... they have plenty to offer before retiring and we needing to find good young players... unlike Spain (Xavi is 33, Iniesta is 29, Xabi is 31, Ramos is 27)

Good Argument number 3: Lucas Moura could have played the U20 qualifying and the story would probably be different.

Good Argument number 4: the blame can be on CBF. After Ney Franco doing a terrific job as u-20 coach, they replaced him with some unknown idiotic coach, who brought shame on the team in the u20. As soon as he was replaced by a more experienced coach (Alexandre Gallo), Brazil u20 won the Toulon Tournament AND the Valais Tournament.

Good Argument number 5: Brazil won the Toulon Tournament and the Valais tournament. Showing that the elimination in the S.American u20 was more due to bad management, wrong picking of players, etc, than an inherently bad generation.

 

At the Olympics Spain couldnt get out of group with a team of Mata, Isco, Koke, Azpilicueta, De gea, Javi Martinez, Iñigo, Jordi Alba, Rodrigo, Muniain, Montoya, Romeu and Tello.

Once again all those youngsters you say are replacing the current stars of Spain havent done anything to prove they are worth it and as good as the current Spain squad. They have under performed at every tournament they have played in.



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That's not true. Alba was one of the best players at Euro 2012 and many of those other players you listed were on the team that won back-to-back u-21 UEFA titles. Yeah, the competition might not have been top notch, but you can't say they underperformed when they lifted the trophy at the end.

 

That's correct. SPain are building up their era great since 2006 with profound depth in quality players - Too many good players, I would say