2013-14 CONCACAF Champions League quarterfinals [R]

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by Paul Calixte, Jan 8, 2014.

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Which team has the best chance of reaching the Champions League semifinals?

Poll closed Mar 5, 2014.
  1. San Jose Earthquakes

    7 vote(s)
    7.0%
  2. LA Galaxy

    46 vote(s)
    46.0%
  3. Sporting Kansas City

    47 vote(s)
    47.0%
  1. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    Nobody would even had a thought about saving $200K by letting the top MLS keeper go.
    He had a season full of injuries for Galaxy, allowed 5 goals in his last 2 games, and eventually deemed disposable as Sonders was hugely overrated. Then he had a very poor season for Montreal traded to Portland for equally poor Perkins and started collecting Save of the Week awards.
     
  2. GalaxyKoa

    GalaxyKoa Member+

    Jul 18, 2007
    North County
    Club:
    Los Angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You really have no idea what you're talking about. Go back and read the threads on the Galaxy forum at the time. Almost everyone considered Ricketts to be better than Saunders. Injury prone, yes, but Saunders as playing well enough such that at the time:

    Saunders + $200k cap space + allocation money for Ricketts > Ricketts + Saunders

    He was never disposable. It was purely a case of thinking the Galaxy could stand the step down to Saunders in exchange for ~$400k in cap space to retain a championship winning side. At the time, I thought it was the right move and I still think it was. By the way, the Galaxy won the league again the next year, due largely in part from the money from trading Ricketts.
     
  3. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    #1228 AndyMead, Mar 13, 2014
    Last edited: Mar 14, 2014
    Okay, to the best of my knowledge this is a complete list of MLS/LigaMX games in official competitions:
    CONCACAF Cup Winners Cup
    CONCACAF Champions Cup
    CONCACAF Giants Cup
    Copa MercoNorte
    CONCACAF Champions League

    I have not included SuperLiga (2007-2010), but could if anyone cares. Though SuperLiga makes sense when you realize that in the three years before the tournament was created there were only two games between MLS and LigaMX clubs. The move from the CCC to the CCL definitely lessened the need. The change to three team groups has slashed the MLS/LigaMX meetings.

    1997
    97-03-04 L Dallas 1-4 Necaxa - CCWC Group North
    97-03-08 L Dallas 1-2 Cruz Azul - CCWC Group North
    97-07-30 W Los Angeles 4-1 Santos Laguna - CCC Qualifying Playoff
    97-08-24 T DC United 2-2 Guadalajara - CCC 3rd Place
    97-08-24 L (at RFK) Los Angeles 3-5 Cruz Azul - CCC Final
    1998
    98-06-28 W Colorado 1-0 Leon - CCC QP 1st Leg
    98-07-15 L/L Leon 4-2 (5-3) Colorado - CCC QP 2nd Leg
    98-08-14 W DC United 2-0 Leon - CCC Semifinal
    98-08-16 W DC United 1-0 Toluca - CCC Final
    1999
    99-08-18 T/L Los Angeles 1-1 (3-4pk) Necaxa - CCC Qualifying Playoff
    99-10-01 L (in Las Vegas) DC United 1-3 Necaxa - CCC Semifinal
    2001
    01-01-21 L (in Los Angeles) DC United 1-2 Pachuca - CCC 3rd Place
    01-08-01 L Santos Laguna 4-2 Kansas City - CM Group C
    01-08-05 L (in Los Angeles) DC United 0-2 America - CGC Final
    01-11-21 L Kansas City 0-1 Santos Laguna - CM Group C
    2002
    02-04-17 L Pachuca 3-0 San Jose - CCC QF 1st Leg
    02-04-10 L Santos Laguna 2-1 Kansas City - CCC QF 1st Leg
    02-04-24 W/L San Jose 1-0 (1-3) Pachuca - CCC QF 2nd Leg
    02-04-24 W/W Kansas City 2-0 (2-1) Santos Laguna - CCC QF 2nd Leg
    02-06-30 L Morelia 2-0 Chicago - CCC QF 1st Leg
    02-07-10 W/L Chicago 2-1 (2-3) Morelia - CCC QF 2nd Leg
    02-08-07 L Morelia 6-1 Kansas City - CCC SF 1st Leg
    02-08-28 T/L Kansas City 1-1 (2-7) Morelia - CCC SF 2nd Leg
    2003
    03-04-09 L Morelia 6-0 Columbus - CCC QF 1st Leg
    03-04-09 L Los Angeles 1-4 Necaxa - CCC QF 1st Leg (in Fullerton)
    03-04-16 W/L Columbus 2-0 (2-6) Morelia - CCC QF 2nd Leg
    03-04-16 L/L Nexaca 2-1 (6-2) Los Angeles - CCC QF 2nd Leg
    2005
    05-04-06 T DC United 1-1 UNAM - CCC SF 1st Leg
    05-04-13 L/L UNAM 5-0 (6-1) DC United - CCC SF 2nd Leg
    2007
    07-03-15 T DC United 1-1 Guadalajara - CCC SF 1st Leg
    07-03-15 W Houston 2-0 Pachuca - CCC SF 1st Leg
    07-03-03 L/L Guadalajara 2-1 (3-2) DC United - CCC SF 2nd Leg
    07-04-05 L/L Pachuca 5-2aet (5-4) - CCC SF 2nd Leg
    2008
    08-04-01 L Pachuca 2-0 DC United - CCC SF 1st Leg
    08-04-09 W/L DC United 2-1 (2-3) Pachuca - CCC SF 2nd Leg
    08-09-30 T UNAM 4-4 Houston - CCL Group B
    08-10-01 L DC United 0-1 Cruz Azul - CCL Group A
    08-10-21 L Cruz Azul 2-0 DC United - CCL Group A
    08-10-22 L Houston 1-3 UNAM - CCL Group B
    2009
    09-02-24 T Houston 1-1 Atlante - CCL QF 1st Leg
    09-03-03 L/L Atlante 3-0 (4-1) Houston - CCL QF 2nd Leg
    09-08-26 L DC United 1-3 Toluca - CCL Group B
    09-08-26 L Cruz Azul 5-0 Columbus - CCL Group C
    09-09-16 L Pachuca 2-0 Houston - CCL Group A
    09-09-23 L Columbus 0-2 Cruz Azul - CCL Group C
    09-09-30 L Houston 0-1 Pachuca - CCL Group A
    09-10-22 T Toluca 1-1 DC United - CCL Group B
    2010
    10-03-09 T Columbus 2-2 Toluca - CCL QF 1st Leg
    10-03-17 L/L Toluca 3-2 (5-4) Columbus - CCL QF 2nd Leg
    10-08-17 W Toronto 2-1 Cruz Azul - CCL Group A
    10-08-24 L Santos Laguna 1-0 Columbus - CCL Group B
    10-08-25 L Cruz Azul 5-4 Salt Lake - CCL Group A
    10-08-25 L Seattle 0-2 Monterrey - CCL Group C
    10-09-21 W Columbus 1-0 Santos Laguna - CCL Group B
    10-09-21 T Cruz Azul 0-0 Toronto - CCL Group A
    10-09-22 L Monterrey 3-2 Seattle - CCL Group C
    10-10-19 W Salt Lake 3-1 Cruz Azul - CCL Group A
    2011
    11-04-20 T Monterrey 2-2 Salt Lake - CCL Final 1st Leg
    11-04-27 L/L Salt Lake 0-1 (2-3) Monterrey - CCL Final 2nd Leg
    11-08-17 W UNAM 0-1 Dallas - CCL Group C
    11-08-23 W Monterrey 0-1 Seattle - CCL Group D
    11-09-13 L Morelia 2-1 Los Angeles - CCL Group A
    11-09-13 L Colorado 1-4 Santos Laguna - CCL Group B
    11-09-14 L UNAM 4-0 Toronto - CCL Group C
    11-09-21 L Dallas 0-2 UNAM - CCL Group C
    11-09-27 T Toronto 1-1 UNAM - CCL Group C
    11-09-28 W Los Angeles 2-1 Morelia - CCL Group A
    11-10-18 L Seattle 1-2 Monterrey - CCL Group D
    11-10-19 L Santos Laguna 2-0 Colorado - CCL Group B
    2012
    12-03-07 W Seattle 2-1 Santos Laguna - CCL QF 1st Leg
    12-03-14 L/L Santos Laguna 6-1 (7-3) Seattle - CCL QF 2nd Leg
    12-03-28 T Toronto 1-1 Santos Laguna - CCL SF 1st Leg
    12-04-04 L/L Santos Laguna 6-2 (7-3) - Toronto - CCL SF 2nd Leg
    12-08-28 L Toronto 1-3 Santos Laguna - CCL Group 1
    12-10-24 L Santos Laguna 1-0 Toronto - CCL Group 1
    2013
    13-03-05 W Houston 1-0 Santos Laguna - CCL QF 1st Leg
    13-03-06 L UANL 1-0 Seattle - CCL QF 1st Leg
    13-03-12 W/W Seattle 3-1 (3-2) UANL - CCL QF 2nd Leg
    13-03-13 L/L Santos Laguna 3-0 (3-1) Houston - CCL QF 2nd Leg
    13-04-02 L Seattle 0-1 Santos Laguna - CCL SF 1st Leg
    13-04-03 L Los Angeles 1-2 Monterrey - CCL SF 1st Leg
    13-04-09 T/L Santos Laguna 1-1 (2-1) Seattle - CCL SF 2nd Leg
    13-04-10 L/L Monterrey 1-0 (3-1) Los Angeles - CCL SF 2nd Leg
    2014
    14-03-11 T San Jose 1-1 Toluca - CCL QF 1st Leg
    14-03-12 W Kansas City 1-0 Cruz Azul - CCL QF 1st Leg
    14-03-12 W Los Angeles 1-0 Tijuana - CCL QF 1st Leg
     
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  4. ji_shuheng

    ji_shuheng Member+

    Mar 26, 2003
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    you're just babbling now. probabilities aren't scores.
     
  5. Jough

    Jough Member+

    Jul 30, 2007
    Kansas City
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    FTFY :D
     
  6. TrickHog

    TrickHog Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 14, 2002
    Los Angeles, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I will agree with you that Ricketts was deemed disposable and Saunders was overrated. But the REASON they had to make that assessment and pull the trade was the need to free up CAP space. At no time did anyone ever think that Saunders was better than Ricketts. They just thought that, for his much much lower salary, Saunders was a better value. So we sacrificed depth and quality at goalkeeper because of salary constrictions, which is what this discussion originally started from....
     
  7. MattND28

    MattND28 Member

    Jan 10, 2014
    That doesn't bode well for Tijuana next week then...
     
  8. asoc

    asoc Member+

    Sep 28, 2007
    Tacoma
    I miss superliga... Was I the only one who liked that tournament? I know it wasn't comparable to CCL and teams didn't always field their best teams, but damn was it entertaining.

    Thought it served as a nice piece for teams not in CCL. It also balanced out the schedule in the sense more teams were playing extended schedules. Which means the top teams weren't punished as bad for qualifying for CCL.
     
  9. Berks

    Berks Member+

    Dec 22, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #1234 Berks, Mar 14, 2014
    Last edited: Mar 14, 2014
    Last I checked my team still gets revenue for the tickets. Not to mention, that's still LA fans representing a good chunk of the attendance (didn't look like an away game on television for what it's worth). I don't understand why you are griping about this. CCL is in it's infancy here. Getting further in the campaign would help. Not sure why you think 20,000 people in LA are going to show up tomorrow during a weekday CCL game - the regular season has issues drawing on a weekday, let alone a competition that's still gaining traction. SKC is not a great basis of comparison for a whole host of reasons. Gripe about our marketing of CCL versus SKC's if you want, not about the attendance level which has a whole host of reasons for why it is what it is.

    Not to mention maybe we can get those folks that are based in LA to come back some time and buy more tickets.

    A thought: maybe the issue is your expectations? I'd suggest resetting them. I'm really happy that more and more people care about CCL - in LA included. Just recognizing it's not going to be immensely popular quickly.

    Old tired argument (wherever the US plays it's an "away" game, blah blah blah). I'd rather focus on how to make it even better for the next series than "woe is me" about it - hopefully LA gets there!
     
  10. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    You got no clue whether i have an idea. I've been here. Rickets was bad in late 2010. Saunders looked much better. Galaxy had a choice which one to keep and chose Saunders. In 2012 Saunders was mediocre and Rickets was horrible: 52 goals in 33 games while looking and moving like Like Zach Thornton on a bad day; so Galaxy wasn't unhappy at all. Even if they decided to keep Rickets through 2012 they would drop him after that season anyway.
     
  11. Balerion

    Balerion Member+

    Aug 5, 2006
    Roslindale, MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Tijuana's home field advantage isn't as much about the fans as it is about the playing surface, though.
     
  12. MattND28

    MattND28 Member

    Jan 10, 2014
    I completely support the return of SuperLiga at this juncture. The gap between leagues is small enough now that it would be a lot of fun. Its really why we watch CCL at all.

    New England, Portland, Vancouver, and Seattle all play on the fake stuff. Pretty sure it won't surprise LA....
     
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  13. Zoidberg

    Zoidberg Member+

    Jun 23, 2006
    I'd rep again if I could.


    Just be more of a wise ass next time.
     
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  14. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    When does Libertadores start and when does it finish (when it does not stop for Copa America or the World Cup).

    1. It is to cold in USA/Canada when it starts (Libertadores) and

    2. playoffs are all in full swing when it ends (Mexico and C.A.).
     
  15. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    'cause 'merica fvck yeah! :thumbsup:
     
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  16. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    From Kansas City (roughly the center of the country) to Montevideo (between Brazil and Argentina is 5,700 miles.

    I'm pretty sure MLS teams don't really want any part of the Copa Libertadores - and I'm guessing the South Americans don't want the added travel of coming to the U.S.
     
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  17. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    #1242 AndyMead, Mar 14, 2014
    Last edited: Mar 14, 2014
    As far a SuperLiga - I was a fan of that competition, too. I only wished they played some of the games in Mexico.

    Especially with MLS pushing north of 20 teams next year, having an opportunity for teams 6-9 to get annual international play isn't a bad idea.

    EDIT: Damn tournament names, can't keep'em straight.
     
  18. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I Agree, but the comment was about why the CCL takes so long (with the break) and why can't Concacaf follow a Schedule similar to Copa Libertadores ;)

    I was just replying that a similar schedule to CL would run into issues over here.
     
  19. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Interliga was the Liga MX only tournament played in the USA for $$$$$porting reasons :p

    I think you mean Superliga.


    I kind of want to see the Pacific championship / Hawaii invitational come back in a more competitive more serious format.

    Something like the top teams from China, Japan, Korea, MLS that are not playing in international cups some time in February.

    But it was probably a money loser tournament that is why it went away.
     
  20. RafaLarios

    RafaLarios Member+

    Oct 2, 2009
    Medellín
    Club:
    Atletico Nacional
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Last year I went to Santiago (Chile) on a 5 hour flight... and I'm in south america :(
     
  21. GalaxyKoa

    GalaxyKoa Member+

    Jul 18, 2007
    North County
    Club:
    Los Angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just so we can clarify, your argument is that the cap/retaining other players played no part in the Galaxy trading Ricketts in 2011? That it was purely a decision of picking one or the other based on who they thought was they better keeper? That Galaxy fans and the front office honestly though Saunders was the better keeper?
     
  22. Balerion

    Balerion Member+

    Aug 5, 2006
    Roslindale, MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just because you expect it doesn't make it easy to play on. My point is that a bunch of Tijuana fans at the StubHub isn't going to replicate the same sort of home-field advantage that they'll enjoy at Estadio Caliente.
     
  23. Fanatical Monk

    Fanatical Monk Member+

    Jun 14, 2011
    Fantasyland
    Love it or leave it bitches!
     
  24. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    CCL - MLS Cup winner, Conference winners (Reg. Season), USOC winner
    Superliga - Next 4 in overall regular season table (including Canadian teams, if applicable)
    Pan-Pacific: Next 2 in overall regular season table (including Canadian teams, if applicable)
     
  25. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Early TV coverage for next week's matches:

    March 18 - Tijuana v. LA Galaxy - FS2, Spanish: Unclear
    March 19 - Toluca v. San Jose - FS2, Univision Deportes
    March 19 - Cruz Azul v. Kansas City - FS2, Spanish: Unclear
    March 20 - Arabe Unido v. Alajuelense - FSP, Univision Deportes

    Since LA and Kansas City aren't explicitly listed as being on Univision Deportes, I'm holding out hope that they'll be on either Galavision or UniMas.
     

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