2012/2014 Mike Havenaar @ Vitesse (NED/EL) Thread [R]

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  1. Blue-San

    Blue-San Member+

    Jun 21, 2011
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    Kashima Antlers
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    #351 Blue-San, May 5, 2014
    Japan will have:

    3 - GKs
    4 - FBs
    4 - DCs (one of them a mobile one like Inoha who can play at some other position as well)
    4 - MCs
    5 - AMC/AMR/AMLs (Kiyo, Kagawa, Honda, Okazaki, and the 5th man spot people are racing for atm)
    3 - strikers (currently looks like Kakitani, Osako and again a spot people are racing for)

    Now if you look at it. Okazaki is an inner forward in JNT but can also play as a striker so that actuall means 4 strikers + Honda can theoretically play as a striker as well so you kind of get 5.
    4 - 5 strikers is plenty for formation which uses one or 2 (other being the inner one)

    As to which FW will go there are about 5-6 candidates


    1 - Toyoda
    2 - Kudo
    3 - Haveenar
    4 - Okubo
    5 - Sato
    6 - Kawamata

    And the list ends there.
     
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  2. seolseol

    seolseol Member+

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    #352 seolseol, May 5, 2014
    So wich forwards have the same of a chance as Havenaar to join the team to Brazil?
     
  3. Dax

    Dax Moderator
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    Feb 29, 2012
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    #353 Dax, May 5, 2014
    we're a bit OT but it's fine I guess

    hmm it's not too useful to count them that way: Morimoto, Tamada, Okazaki were 3 strikers. Then Yano, Okubo, were used in another way.

    Wait, it's not a given yet.
    For example in the Confederations Cup it was
    3 GKs
    4 FBs
    4 DCs
    4 MCs
    6 - AMC / AMR / AMLs
    2 - strikers (+ Okazaki like against Brazil)

    who was making the number difference then ? It was Kengo
    so it could end being 2 strikers + Okazaki again, it's just one single position after all.
    It's very hard to predict the 23th player right now, in my opinion.

    He put you a list in order, it wasn't random. I still think Okubo has a bit more chances than him currently though.
     
  4. feyenoordsoccerfan

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    #354 feyenoordsoccerfan, May 5, 2014
    I think he has to play play off matches for the last Euro League spot.
     
  5. seolseol

    seolseol Member+

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    #355 seolseol, May 5, 2014
    Okubos form can't be ignored but has Zacc said anything about him?
     
  6. teioh

    teioh Member+

    Apr 17, 2012
    #356 teioh, May 5, 2014
    You are missing that Minamino kid on purpose?
     
  7. Clad

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    #357 Clad, May 5, 2014
    yep his been missed out intentionally as his chances of making it, is as high as someone getting locked inside a grocery store and starving
     
  8. Clad

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    Oct 15, 2012
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    #358 Clad, May 5, 2014
    Anyway. because of havenaars height. he has advantage over everyone else.

    i think zac will have no choice but to take him, so that he has optiona
     
  9. naopon

    naopon Member+

    Jan 2, 2007
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    Club:
    Kawasaki Frontale
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #359 naopon, May 5, 2014
    Er not really. Guys like Toyoda and Osako are pretty good in the air. I don't think Mike has a great shot.
     
  10. GunnerTNB

    GunnerTNB Member+

    Apr 4, 2011
    São Paulo
    Club:
    Botafogo Rio Janeiro
    #360 GunnerTNB, May 5, 2014
    I'd put my 50 cents on Toyoda getting called for the last CF spot. I believe even Kawamata has more chances than Mike right now.
     
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  11. Blue-San

    Blue-San Member+

    Jun 21, 2011
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    #361 Blue-San, May 5, 2014
    Toyoda is a way more agressive jumper and physically stronger. Both things which people see as main advantages for Haveenar who every single time I watched him play was crappy in contested headers
     
  12. Dax

    Dax Moderator
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    Feb 29, 2012
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    #362 Dax, May 5, 2014
    lol
    you're in for a surprise then I guess

    this is also false, as he was selected for the JNT camp, and even did pretty well. The real problem is that he so far isn't doing well enough in JLeague.

    Nothing in particular, but I think currently Toyoda is ahead of him. I personally still suspect there is not going to be a 3rd striker as it's Okazaki, so it depends mostly on Kakitani's form actually.

    Take in mind that squads have to be confirmed before the 2nd of June, last I remember. Which means that the friendlies against Costa Rica and Zambia will be played with the final selection
     
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  13. Clad

    Clad Member

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    #363 Clad, May 5, 2014
    havenaar has 17 caps. toyoda has 2. zac will play it safe i think and take havenaar
     
  14. Whispered11

    Whispered11 Member+

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    Oct 4, 2011
    Munich, Germany
    Club:
    UC Sampdoria
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    #364 Whispered11, May 6, 2014
    Havenaar isn't called up for a lot of time.
    What's his next destination?
     
  15. Whispered11

    Whispered11 Member+

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    Oct 4, 2011
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    #365 Whispered11, May 7, 2014
    Starts against Gronigen.
     
  16. GunnerTNB

    GunnerTNB Member+

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    #366 GunnerTNB, May 7, 2014
    They lost 1-0 and Mike played 90 minutes
     
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  17. Clad

    Clad Member

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    #367 Clad, May 10, 2014
    17:45 gmt (UTC-0) Vitesse - Groningen

    For Europa League spot

    Playoff Match

    Agreggate 0-1 in favour of gronigen. Vittese play at home. Havenaar started last game. Surely he will start this and hopefully score the descisive goal
     
  18. Keren

    Keren Member+

    Feb 15, 2013
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    Olympique de Marseille
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    #368 Keren, May 10, 2014
  19. Clad

    Clad Member

    Oct 15, 2012
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    #369 Clad, May 10, 2014
  20. Clad

    Clad Member

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    #370 Clad, May 10, 2014
    Also whoever said havenaar sucks at headed goals and that toyoda is ahead of him (dax?), needs to watch this




    I think he will go to WC2014 because of high height and heading ability
     
  21. Clad

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    #371 Clad, May 10, 2014
  22. Whispered11

    Whispered11 Member+

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    Oct 4, 2011
    Munich, Germany
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    UC Sampdoria
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    #372 Whispered11, May 10, 2014
  23. Clad

    Clad Member

    Oct 15, 2012
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    #373 Clad, May 10, 2014
    i think its now highly likely. many sources are reporting it (his agent is the one who revealed the interest?):

    http://www.goal.com/nl/news/786/transfers/2014/05/10/4807925/agent-havenaar-meldt-interesse-napoli

    Its more likely because it will be a free transfer.

    Lol, after most people here under rated havenaar he will now be in the same ranks as Kagawa, and Honda
     
  24. Clad

    Clad Member

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    #374 Clad, May 10, 2014
  25. Dax

    Dax Moderator
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    Feb 29, 2012
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    #375 Dax, May 10, 2014
    Never in my posts I said that he sucks, and not at headed goals.
    But yes, Toyoda is ahead of him in JNT chances. He won't be called up.
     
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