2011 FIFA Women's World Cup - CAF Qualifiers

Discussion in 'Women's International' started by JLSA, Mar 2, 2010.

  1. mcruic

    mcruic Member

    Jun 26, 2004
    Scotland
    Club:
    Dundee United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Scotland
    Yes, crazy story indeed. I've updated my blog with details of the no.11 player for Côte d'Ivoire. The Ivorians insist that the Gabonese team confused Nahi Marie José (presumably this no.11 player that South Africa were concerned about) with Salimata. A google search brings up only 2 results for this name - which is strange - but there is another player (also an attacker) with the name Nahi (Nahi Estelle - also known as 'Adebayor') who missed the first leg of the Côte d'Ivoire v Gabon match. Reason? Lack of passport... Surely not the same player. Surely? Well she also played for Côte d'Ivoire in 2007 against Senegal, and was reported as "Josee Estelle Nahi". So, at some point in between, she has not renewed her passport, apparently...


    This could open up a huge can of worms though. I've read a report from The Monitor in Uganda that mentions the names of 2 Ugandan women who played in the 2000 African Women's Championship and who subsequently defected to DR Congo to gain citizenship there and were drafted into that country's national team for an African Championship qualifier against Zambia in 2006. To make matters more difficult, the two players also changed their names.
     
  2. JanBalk

    JanBalk Member+

    Jun 9, 2004
    Uppsala, Sweden
    Nat'l Team:
    Sweden
    Up to FIFA to decide, but if they find them guilty and let them stay in the tournamnet they will add fines,
    But it is FIFA so anything from fines and disqualifing the players to ban Equitorial Guinea from all International play for several years are fully within the scope of possible punishmnet. I think it very much depend on if FIFA decide it was made by mistake or if was a deliberate try to trick FIFA.
     
  3. law10

    law10 Member

    Dec 26, 2007
    Renee Richards

    Renee Richards was born male and captain of the Yale University's Men's Tennis Team, before undergoing a sex change.

    "Richards was barred from playing as a woman in the U.S. Open in 1976 unless she submitted to chromosomal testing. She sued the United States Tennis Association, and in 1977 she won the right to play as a woman without submitting to any testing."

    "Her greatest successes on court were reaching the doubles final at the U.S. Open in 1977 with Betty Ann Stuart — the pair lost a close match to Martina Navratilova and Betty Stöve — and winning the 35-and-over women's singles."

    Welcome to the 21st century of women's sport.
     
  4. kool-aide

    kool-aide Member+

    Feb 1, 2002
    a van by the river
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    except of course that was in the 20th century ;)
     
  5. Lusankya

    Lusankya Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 14, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I have nothing against transgendered men which are now women in women's sport, but they should be biological women otherwise it would be unfair.
     
  6. Mexicana

    Mexicana New Member

    Feb 3, 2005
    Mexico City
    But when would anyone considered someone as a full "biological women", is it a matter of DNA (X&Y or X&X), or the counting of estrogen in someones methabolism?

    It's clear for me that there will always stand the possibility that a gender change could be done on the basis, not of a trully desire for crossing the line for someones realization, joy and happines, but for money and fame through sport succes.

    Damn, this is a hard issue.
     
  7. jonny63

    jonny63 Member+

    Feb 17, 2005
    Norway
    Nigeria/Equatorial Guinea: AWC Gender Controversy - Falcons' Coach Wants CAF to Probe Equatorial Guinea

    "CAF should do something about Equatorial Guinea so that Africa will not be embarrassed at the World Cup final next year in Germany," she said."



    http://allafrica.com/stories/201011160851.html
     
  8. law10

    law10 Member

    Dec 26, 2007
    Cute.

    http://pitchinvasion.net/blog/2009/08/11/football-age-real-age-and-the-meanings-of-age-in-africa/

    Onmonya writes it is not uncommon in Nigeria for players to have as many as ten years difference between their football age and their real age: “A friend of mine who once played in the Nigerian league with Jigawa Stars told me his real age was thirty four two years ago but his football age was twenty one.

    [Onmonya] explains that “You can walk into any immigration office in Nigeria today, forge documents at the nearby business centre, change your name, place of birth, date of birth, pay seven to ten thousand naira instead of the official price of about five thousand five hundred naira for international passport and within hours you have completed the whole process.”
     
  9. kool-aide

    kool-aide Member+

    Feb 1, 2002
    a van by the river
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It is a hard issue. True hermaphrodites have xxxy chromosomes. I believe the Caster Semeya case may be useful here -- didn't dna show she's a true hermaphrodite?

    Also, what about transgendered men (ie born biologically a woman but transitioned to male) who pass drug testing for "performance enhancements" (ie they haven't done the drug portion of their transition but still look "manly")? In the USA, an NCAA women's basketball player is a transgender male who is putting off the drugs to stay eligible.
     
  10. usa3por2ft

    usa3por2ft Member

    Oct 15, 2002
    in exile
    Club:
    Millwall FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It seems that Nigeria's Uche Eucharia will be the first woman to coach an African team in the Women's World Cup.
     
  11. rigaton

    rigaton Member

    Dec 6, 2009
    Club:
    Real Sociedad de Fútbol
    Vicente Engonga was Equatorial Guinea male trainer , and he resigned because federation wanted to impose him brazilian or foreigner players. Actual Equatorial Guinea male nathional team is composed by spanish born players of equatoguinean origin , and now they want to full their team with foreigners of 0% equatoguinean origin. They arent able to develope their football , and they buy players to win , and this female equatoguinean team is an example of it. I dont think that many of them are really equatoguineans.Could anybody put equatoguinean squad in this tournament?.
     
  12. jonny63

    jonny63 Member+

    Feb 17, 2005
    Norway
  13. mcruic

    mcruic Member

    Jun 26, 2004
    Scotland
    Club:
    Dundee United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Scotland
    Of the original squad of 21, at least 13 were naturalised - I couldn't find information on the others.

    1 YAO HAOUA - Burkina Faso (has played for Burkina Faso national team)
    2 BRUNA AMARANTE DA SILVA - Brazil
    3 GHISLAINE NKE NOAH
    4 CAROLINE CONCEICAO MARTINS PEREIRA - Brazil
    5 SIMPORE BILINGUISA - Burkina Faso
    6 DOCELINE THEOLORE - Played in Singapore league in 2007/08 - not sure if she is naturalised or not
    7 NNABUGWU BLESSING DIALA- Nigeria
    8 SIMPORE SALIMATA - Burkina Faso (has played for Burkina Faso national team)
    9 CHUIGOUE DORINE NINA - Cameroon
    10 GENOVEVA AYONGMAN
    11 OBONO ABESO NATALIA
    12 SINFOROSA EYANG
    13 NGUI ENGONGA LUCRECIA
    14 DE SANTANA BARBOSA JUMARIA - Brazil
    15 OKORO GLORIA CHINASA - Nigeria
    16 JADE BOHO SAYO - Spain (played for Spain U-19 in 2004 Euro Championship)
    17 BILLE ESONO TECLAIRE
    18 SILVA DA PAIXAO MIRIAM - Brazil
    19 NDIAYE FATOUMATA - Senegal?
    20 DANDARA BESSA DOS SANTOS - Brazil
    21 ADA ENVO JACINTA

    What makes tracking them difficult is that the spelling of the names changes quite often, as does what name they actually use and what order the names go in.

    GHISLAINE NKE NOAH is also known as SALOME NKE NOAH for example, BILINGUISSA SIMPORE has been known as BILGUISSA, BINGUISSA and BALKISSA.

    DOCELINE THEOLORE has been known as DOCELINE THEOLORE N'DJOUANANG and DOCELINE LORENA and DOCELINE THEO LORENA JOUANANG

    Salimata Simporé is, according to the squad submiited to CAF, 23 years old. So she played for Burkina Faso as a 20 year old. This means that ordinarily, using the rules at the time, she might have been allowed to switch nationality before 21 - but as already pointed out, she had already appeared for Equatorial Guinea as a 19 year old.
     
  14. jonny63

    jonny63 Member+

    Feb 17, 2005
    Norway
    But that aside, Simpore was the best player on the Equatorial Guinea side, so how come she is not playing for any female clubside? Genoveva Anonma, who emerged the top scorer in the last edition of the competition, plays for USV of Jena, Germany. Jade Boho, the creative midfielder who marshaled the Equatorial Guinea midfield engine room, plays for Rayo Vallecano of Spain and won the Women Under 19 World Cup with Spain before switching to Equatorial Guinea. But what is the profile of Simpore and where does she ply her trade? If she is that good and she is a woman she should be in high demand among female soccer clubs! One of her goals in the recent competition was a ballistic wonder that would have beaten any male goalkeeper.

    http://allafrica.com/stories/201011220996.html
     
  15. mcruic

    mcruic Member

    Jun 26, 2004
    Scotland
    Club:
    Dundee United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Scotland
    According to Wikipedia, she plays for Princesses FC of Burkina Faso... According to the CAF teamsheet, she plays for "Liso". Liso can mean "blank" in Spanish, so maybe it just meant she had no team.....
     
  16. jonny63

    jonny63 Member+

    Feb 17, 2005
    Norway
    Equatorial Guinea's football federation (Feguifoot) says claims that the country fielded male players in its women's side are "defamation".

    The team finished second in the African Women's Championship (AWC) and have qualified for next year's World Cup.

    Feguifoot condemned the claims and said a "defamation campaign" had been "led by some African Federations".

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/africa/9221711.stm
     
  17. jonny63

    jonny63 Member+

    Feb 17, 2005
    Norway
  18. jonny63

    jonny63 Member+

    Feb 17, 2005
    Norway
  19. law10

    law10 Member

    Dec 26, 2007
    http://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/story/2010/11/26/sp-soccer-gender-caf.html

    Jiri Dvorak, FIFA's chief medical officer, said the body recommends setting up a panel of medical experts, including a gynecologist or urologist, endocrinologist, psychologist and sports physician, to examine each case — putting players through tests similar to those reportedly undergone by Semenya.

    CAF has not outlined what procedure, if any, will be followed by its Sports Medicine Committee, but Dvorak said the issue of gender verification is "complex."

    "If there is a justified query then we have proposed a procedure for gender verification for players of both genders ... to protect the dignity and privacy of the individual and also to ensure a level playing field for all players," Dvorak told The Associated Press.

    "In contrast with cheating with doping, this is a completely different issue. The situation is complex. No short cuts are justifiable."

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  20. kool-aide

    kool-aide Member+

    Feb 1, 2002
    a van by the river
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  21. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe before each game the refs (female) should line all players up and feel for a penis.
     
  22. JLSA

    JLSA Member

    Nov 11, 2003
    No offence, but they are trying to play football - not fly to Dallas.

    J
     

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