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Discussion in 'Copa Libertadores / Sudamericana' started by JAIME CHILE, Oct 26, 2012.
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SPFC was winning of 2-0 on the first half and Tigre hadn't technique to change this score. It doesn't make any sense that São Paulo had started the confusion.
These Tigre players couldn't win on the pitch and tried to win with the fists, it's so obvious. Even if the guards fought back, it's because Tigre players did or tried to do something very serious.
You can believe in argentine press with zero impartiality, continue to live in your land of illusions. But the truth is that your teams aren't good enough to win an international title and so you are trying to take out the credits of the brazilian ones.
And that's what make all this thing very laughable.
There is a reason I didn't reply to a person a few posts back. I recommend you do the same. They come from a culture in which is normal for fans and criminals to intimidate and assault others but receive no retaliation, physically or illegally.
No one is perfect, yes. Even we have our idiots. But there is such a thing as too imperfect, too many issues, too much baggage, too much BS. The biggest problem is that, especially with Argentina, this happens year after year after year after year....and worse goes on in the national league!
First Division! People die and nothing happens. The government sponsors and pays, with tax-payer money, plane tickets, hotels and game tickets for thousands of criminals to the World Cup just because they can chant. While the regular person is working hard to live by and have a bit leftover, their government pulled something like this, which wasn't a secret to anyone, and did it with little apparent opposition. Why? Because corruption is highly accepted as the norm there.
That is why I opened this thread to explore this idea.
otro que no entiende que nadie pone en duda la supremacia futbolsitica de sao paulo...por mi que le regalen las proximas 6 copas.....
segun tu teoria, que solo los que pierden hacen pelea? como me explicas por que lucas pego un codazo? que logica tan estupida ................ademas, de donde sacan, que si alguien comienza una pelea, un tercero esta legitimiado para atacar?
now one citizen, of the couyntry of favellas, and the killer body guards ask for respect hahahaha. and he considered as a civilized culture......................all people talk about the corruption, of your federation , in the world cup..........and you asked to go, to concacaf
Holy shit Pele! Is that really you?!?! That post was so condescending I almost barfed.
Also why are there Brazilians all lathering each other up right now? You all do realize that until you all got lucky that the story changed you were all the idiots who with the original reporting still blamed Tigre when all the evidence at that point suggested otherwise. So while you may have ended up being right, it's not because of great investigative skill or great analysis. Plus you're all saying that one sides biased while using Brazilian reporting as the gospel truth... I don't give a shit about this game or this result but idiots don't get a free pass over simply the Sudamericana
It isn't because they're losing the only reason because I think they started the fight... Every fuc**** year the argentine teams do the same thing.
I'll show an example of what happened in the past year with my team (Fluminense) againt Argentinos Juniors after they lose the game for 4-2, but there are many, many, many others... Look who started the thing:
SPFC guards needed to do something. If not, Tigre players wouldn't have stopped trying to invade and attack the lockers room. Also, one of the witnesses said they were throwing wooden benches on them. Tigre players were mad.
Canchallena even posted a note about "South American" incidents.
Of the 14 they posted, THIRTEEN of them involved Argentine teams...and all of them instigated them. And they have, obviously, left out a whole truckload of them.
That is why I am no longer wasting breath or thought on trying to fix something that can't be fixed. Can't we pull an Australia and moved to CONCACAF?
What is the follow-up on the following:
A war zone with puddles of blood near or in the Tigre locker room, as noted by a Fox Deportes journalist? Images showed a blood smear on the wall and a few drops of blood on a wooden shelf or divider that was removed from the wall, but no puddles.
A fire gun that was reportedly brandished but this was not reported by Tigre to the police in their deposition? Tigre players mentioned that they were hit by the weapon (not shot). That was the chest injury. What did the player say, while at the same time smiling?
A weird weapon that would shoot a small ball from its tip, that was supposedly used by SP bodyguards?
The visible injuries to Tigre players and staff: chief of security had a scrape/hid on the side of his face. Other staff member (bald guy) also had a face injury. Player had an injury to his chest. Other player had an injury to his arm that supposedly required stitches. TV did not show a close-up of this arm injury.
Tigre claims that they were subject to a 15-minute long beating. All signs point to a much shorter altercation.
Tigre claims that it was just by chance that no one was killed, but all injuries were minor.
Tigre established a very long list of claims that seem to be mostly unsubstantiated.
São Paulo reported that security guards sustained injuries as well.
It is clear that there was an altercation between Tigre players and staff and São Paulo bodyguards. Unless someone has video of the whole thing, we will never know where and why it started. It is one's word against the other's.
You told the others to leave, so why are you still here?
And why don't you address the fact your own country's sports press had a story showing 14 incidents with what your country calls "bochorno," most of them involving teams from your country?
As for "great investigative skill or great analysis," that was a nice little red herring.
bueno, los brazileros las mansas palomas, pobresitos los guardias armados, que usaron su ultimo recurso contra 11 deportistas endemoniados......
lol Argentines complaining about violence when their the masters at it.
It's no coincidence 99.9% of the disturbances in these tournaments involve Argentinean teams.
Makes you wonder who the problem really is huh?
mmmm, in my faces gremio players here in bogota (im colombian, not argentinia, i cheer sao paulo in the final) , knocked the referee and then they destroyed the locker rooms....with 150 thpusand us dolars.................but scuse me, brazilians are the civilians of south america.....surely the only one that did problems, was a foreigner....
I never said Brazilians where saints but please don't compare the amount of disturbances caused by Brazilian fans and teams compared to the ones causes by Argentinean teams. Its absolutely not even close.
im not comparing,......by you attacked me, first saying that argentinian (like in a try, to say that i m not objective)......so brazil body guards, can use force agiasnt players....(look images, personal injuries) because argentina is a characterized by participate in disturbes in matches?
people always can complained about violence, no matter if they are violent too...........here people it seems that think that retaliations and use of force, can be justify.....but in none law system they are.......
Don't count on that.
According to CONMEBOL regulations, Tigre should be fined 100,000 dollars for forfeiting a match without any just cause and be banned from all CONMEBOL tournaments for three years. That means that either Independiente or Lanus should enter in their place. Realistically, the fine could be increased for making false allegatians ala Condor Rojas.
Personally, I want to see Argentine football banned from the sport for 4-5 years but I know I am hoping too much. One day, someone or a lot of people are going to die in the Libertadores/Sudamericana and only then will everyone look at this problem seriously.
One thing I know for certain: Argentine clubs can never claim half the crap they say about never abandoning or any of that. To me, their football is synonymous to cowardice.
why you dont talk about gremio incidents in bogota? ..........excuse me, man of high culture
And people call Argentines arrogant.
look their thread...they say that it wont be difference between salvador, honduras.....with the others teams of sudamerica hahahahaha
but remeber, in their world retaliations are justified
One person's idea/topic doesn't represent everyone's opinions. Just about everyone agreed that it made no sense.
im just, continue the logic of the century guy....that say that tigre is lying, because some argentinian fans of boca, support sao paulo in the fight......
Por alguna razon la foto anterior no salio disculpen las fallas tecnicas esque el servicio de inteligencia de Brazil me esta hackenado la computadora
aqui estan las pruebas de lo que paso en el vestuario de Tigre...
que horror ........
Was Brazil ever punished in any way for the flare that was also thrown on the field?
Be careful! I heard the CIA was preparing Brazil's intelligence community and that people have been "disappearing" without a trace.
Thank god for pokemon! I can own fire-breathing monsters to burn those bastards alive!