¿Deriamos de Tener Coeficiente en la Libertadores?

Apparently CONMEBOL changed their ranking system:

http://www.conmebol.com/pages/Ranking.html

It only includes the teams but not the leagues, though adding the results of each club would give the ranking of the leagues, right?

Kinda silly to include the mexican clubs considering that nowadays they can only play the Libertadores, and they included all the competitions even the Suruga Cup.

EDIT: Well doing some math the results come out like this:

1- Brazil 2555.98
2- Argentina 1989.67
3- Ecuador 935.80
4- Mexico 722.16
5- Chile 698.66
6- Uruguay 683.40
7- Colombia 618.82
8- Paraguay 581.59
9- Peru 443.34
10- Bolivia 307.93
11- Venezuela 300.91

 

Not bad. It's based on more recent performances (last 5 years). Liga and Inter kicking ass...IMO, they should have 3 categories. A 5 yr one, 1 yr, and a historic. Would be cool...

The one they had before was more historic. IIRC, Universitario (PER) was very high on the other one

 

Ecuador has a total of 935.80 between 7 teams, Liga alone has 537.83(That's 57.47% of the points), then again they're 1st on the ranking.

 

Coefficient in libertadores (updated to Semifinals).

Brazil.........94.517
Argentina...68.416
Chile..........58
Mexico.......57.6
Colombia....52.5
Uruguay.....52
Paraguay...49.167
Ecuador.....40.667
Peru..........38.833
Venezuela..30.166
Bolivia.......23.333

I only used the results for Libertadores in the past 5 years (2007-2011), I used wikipedia, so some numbers could not be correct. Also I do not know what to do for the year were Mexico did not finish the libertadores. So their score can be under reported because they had 5 teams in 2010 but 2 did not get any bonus points for the group play.

Win in pre-group 1 point
Draw in pre-group .5

Making it to the group 4 points
One extra point for each round a team advances

Wins on and after the group are 2 points
Draw is 1 point

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc...3YzBzZk85Zzh5U0E&hl=en&authkey=CMmuzYgC#gid=0


1 Paraguay
1 Brazil
1 Argentina
1 Uruguay

Are still alive and can get points for their federations.

 

Coefficient in libertadores (updated to before the final).

Brazil.........95.184
Argentina...68.816
Mexico.......57.6
Chile..........57.333
Uruguay.....53
Colombia....52.5
Paraguay...49.167
Ecuador.....40.667
Peru..........38.833
Venezuela..30.166
Bolivia.......23.333

I only used the results for Libertadores in the past 5 years (2007-2011), I used wikipedia, so some numbers could not be correct. Also I do not know what to do for the year were Mexico did not finish the libertadores. So their score can be under reported because they had 5 teams in 2010 but 2 did not get any bonus points for the group play.

Win in pre-group 1 point
Draw in pre-group .5

Making it to the group 4 points
One extra point for each round a team advances

Wins on and after the group are 2 points
Draw is 1 point

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc...3YzBzZk85Zzh5U0E&hl=en&authkey=CMmuzYgC#gid=0


Made an Error with Chile and Paraguay, it is corrected now.

 

Nation..............2007.......2008.......2009.......2010.......2011........Total

Brazil..............18.917.......19.4.......21.6........21.1.......14.667.....95.684
Argentina.........15.2........15.833.....14.2.......10.583......13..........68.816
Mexico.............16...........16..........7.333.......5.6........12.667......57.6
Chile...............8.833......10.333.....10.667.....14.667.....12.833.....57.333
Uruguay............12.........7.167......11.5........11.833.....10.833......53.333
Colombia..........12.668.....8.333......9.5.........7.833.......14.167......52.5
Paraguay..........9.5...........5..........9.167.......11..........14.833......49.167
Ecuador............7.5.........11..........8.125.......6.375......7.667.......40.667
Peru..................5..........8.167......7.333.......13...........5.333.......38.833
Venezuela..........6..........5.333......9.333........4............5.5..........30.166
Bolivia..............5.333......5.333......3.333.......4.167.......5.167.......23.333

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc...3YzBzZk85Zzh5U0E&hl=en&authkey=CMmuzYgC#gid=0

 

Coefficient in libertadores (updated to end of the first stage).

Brazil.........81.6
Argentina...58.216
Chile..........53.5
Uruguay.....46.333
Paraguay...44.667
Mexico.......44.6
Colombia....42.833
Ecuador.....38.625
Peru..........36.833
Venezuela..27.166
Bolivia.......21.333

The reason total points are lower is because 2007 results go away and only 2008 to 2012 points count. So as 2012 goes forward all countries will earn more points.

 

Coefficient in libertadores (updated after halfway point of the group).

Brazil.........85.35
Argentina...60.916
Chile..........56.667
Paraguay...47.667
Uruguay.....47.5
Mexico.......47.1
Colombia....44.666
Ecuador.....39.959
Peru..........37.333
Venezuela..27.666
Bolivia.......23.333

 

Coefficient in libertadores (updated after groups).

Brazil.........90.35
Argentina...64.916
Chile..........60.667
Paraguay...50.333
Uruguay.....50.166
Mexico.......48.433
Colombia....47.333
Ecuador.....43.292
Peru..........38.666
Venezuela..28.333
Bolivia.......25.333


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...3YzBzZk85Zzh5U0E&authkey=CMmuzYgC&pli=1#gid=0

 

Coefficient in libertadores (quarterfinals).

Brazil.........92.85
Argentina...67.116
Chile..........61.667
Paraguay...51.667
Uruguay.....50.166
Mexico.......48.767
Colombia....47.666
Ecuador.....44.292
Peru..........38.666
Venezuela..28.333
Bolivia.......26

Brazil, Chile, Argentina and Paraguay can still add more points.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...3YzBzZk85Zzh5U0E&authkey=CMmuzYgC&pli=1#gid=0

 

Coefficient in libertadores (Semifinals).

Brazil.........94.35
Argentina...68.316
Chile..........62.667
Paraguay...52.333
Uruguay.....50.166
Mexico.......48.767
Colombia....47.666
Ecuador.....44.292
Peru..........38.666
Venezuela..28.333
Bolivia.......26

Brazil, Chile and Argentina can still add more points.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...3YzBzZk85Zzh5U0E&authkey=CMmuzYgC&pli=1#gid=0

 

Not sure, It was kind of difficult to get those results included, so I only did copa Libertadores.

 

Nation...........2008.......2009.......2010.......2011.......2012........Total

Brazil..............19.4.......21.6........21.1.......14.667..........19.917.....95.684
Argentina.........15.833.....14.2.......10.583......13...........15.7..........69.316
Chile...............10.333.....10.667.....14.667.....12.833.....14.5..........63.000
Paraguay..........5..........9.167.......11..........14.833.........12.333......52.333
Uruguay............7.167......11.5........11.833.....10.833.....8.833......50.166
Mexico.............16..........7.333.......5.6........12.667..........7.167......49.767
Colombia..........8.333......9.5.........7.833.......14.167......7.833......47.666
Ecuador............11..........8.125.......6.375......7.667..........9...........42.292
Peru..................8.167......7.333.......13...........5.333........4.833......38.666
Venezuela..........5.333......9.333........4............5.5...........4.167......28.333
Bolivia..............5.333......3.333.......4.167.......5.167.........8............26

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc...3YzBzZk85Zzh5U0E&hl=en&authkey=CMmuzYgC#gid=0

 

How would the points above translate into the distribution of 37 berths?

Here is how the berths would be assigned if we took every country's points divided by the total amount of points:

Brazil 95.684 6.285802 6
Argentina 69.316 4.5536 5
Chile 63 4.13868 4
Paraguay 52.333 3.43793 3
Uruguay 50.166 3.295572 3
Mexico 49.767 3.26936 3
Colombia 47.666 3.131339 3
Ecuador 42.292 2.778303 3
Peru 38.666 2.540099 3
Venezuela 28.333 1.861289 2
Bolivia 26 1.708027 2

Totals: 563.223 37

Overall, the only changes would be that Brasil and Chile will have one more berth at expense of Venezuela and Bolivia. Note that the total amount of berths is rounded up or down to the closest integer.

 

Propongo a la CONMEBOL (+ México) empezar de nuevo con 2 equipos por país, Campeón y Subcampeón, y a partir de ahí empezar con los promedios. No me sirve hacer promedios con países que tienen más posibilidades de llegar a la final que otros.

Y no teman! que no propongo distribuir por igual cantidad de población ni dinero de los clubes. Faltaba más.. Propongo solamente la misma cantidad de representantes por país hasta encontrar un promedio.

De lo contrario seguiremos tan confundidos como en Europa, donde Alemania tienen un solo club poderoso, el Bayern Munich, y Francia ninguno. Mientras que países como Inglaterra y España tienen ligas mucho más fuertes, tanto más que la de Italia, pero selecciones aún en desarrollo.

 

Por cierto: NO SE OLVIDEN QUE URUGUAY ES EL PAÍS CON EL MAYOR COEFICIENTE DE GLORIA FUTBOLÍSTICA EN TODO EL MUNDO.

2 medallas olímpicas de oro
2 copas del mundo
5 semifinales de la copa del mundo
7 semifinales de campeonatos mundiales
4 campeonatos mundiales
1 copa de campeón de campeones del mundo
15 copas de américa
7 sudamericanos juveniles
8 copas libertadores
6 intercontinentales
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3 millones de habitantes

PD: Y ni les hablo de los vicecampeonatos.

 

Think u got confused with another thread...

 

You forgot to include your FIFA/Pro Evo Record with Uruguay.

 

If they did use a Conmebol Coefficient, yes Chile (Maybe Paraguay and Uruguay) may get 1 more spot, but they would not come from Brasil, they would come from Bolivia and Venezuela.

See Post #65.

 

After the groups round

Nation...........2009.......2010.......2011.......2012..........2013........Total

Brazil..............21.6........21.1.......14.667........19.917.....8.667........84.951
Argentina........14.2.......10.583......13...........15.7...........7.6..........61.3083
Chile................10.667.....14.667.....12.833.....14.5..........5.0.......57.667
Paraguay..........9.167.......11..........14.833.......12.333.....6.167......52.500
Uruguay...........11.5........11.833.....10.833.....8.833.........4.833......47.832
Colombia..........9.5.........7.833.......14.167......7.833........6.833......46.166
Mexico..............7.333.......5.6........12.667..........7.167......5.667......38.434
Ecuador............8.125.......6.375......7.667..........9............4.667......37.959
Peru..................7.333.......13...........5.333........4.833........4.833......35.332
Venezuela.........9.333........4............5.5...........4.167.........2.333.....25.333
Bolivia...............3.333.......4.167.......5.167.........8...............3.0.......23.667

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc...3YzBzZk85Zzh5U0E&hl=en&authkey=CMmuzYgC#gid=0

 

Mala presentación chilena, primera vez desde el 2008 que no pasa ningún equipo a segundo ronda.

 

Pregunta: Sera que el prestigio ganado en el ciclo del 2010 y los titulos continentales obtenidos a nivel de clubes, conllevo a la venta de muchos jugadores, dejando al torneo local corto de talento?

 

En la Universidad de Chile sin duda fue en parte por la venta de jugadores. A su vez se suma que Sampaoli se fue a la selección y recien llegó Franco. Recien ahora está mejorando la U, incluso en el torneo local. Por parte de Huachipato e Iquique diría que tiene que ser más porque son equipos "chicos" dentro de Chile. Huachipato fue campeon pero también vendió sus jugadores pero de todas formas tuvo oportunidad hasta el último minuto de pasar a segunda vuelta. En el torneo actual Huachipato está en el puesto 14 e Iquique número 17.

 

No sé en realidad pero para serte sincero, tanto Huachipato como la U no anduvieron tan mal estadísticamente: los primeros terminaron con 9 y los segundos con 8 puntos, respectivamente. No es una cosecha tan negativa, aunque la de Iquique sí lo es.

Al fin y al cabo todos quedaron eliminados pero no creo que sea el fin del mundo, sobre todo en cuanto a la competividad del campeonato chileno se refiere.