MLS Wrap sucks

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by Sempuukyaku, Apr 3, 2005.

  1. delo_pata

    delo_pata Member

    Jan 12, 2001
    Durham, NC
    Re: Much, much better.


    Count me in as preferring this format to Harksey's "analysis" --"Now, look at this, you see this? I mean, look at this. Twellmen scores on a nice shot."
     
  2. szazzy

    szazzy Member

    Apr 18, 2004
    Kansas City, MO
    Re: Much, much better.

    FYP

    Everything's "nice" with Balboa. Nice dive, nice cleat to the face - it doesn't matter as long as an American player is doing it.

    Harkes is a "brilliant" man.
     
  3. DJAnimosity

    DJAnimosity Member

    Aug 15, 2001
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Keep the format, but do away with Christian Miles doing the voiceover, and replace him with either Allen Hopkins or *gulp* Max Bretos. The piped-in crowd noise is obviously an abortion and must be rectified.

    In the end, all we really want are highlights, right? Harkes and Wheelock and their weekly ass-grabbing got old after 30 seconds.
     
  4. The Cadaver

    The Cadaver It's very quiet here.

    Oct 24, 2000
    La Cañada, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Much, much better.

    Last year's drinking game: Down one every time Harkes said "Great stuff!" and see if you can stay awake to the end of the show.
     
  5. stinky

    stinky Member

    May 14, 2000
    Long Beach, NY
    didn't watch it and i won't.

    the piped in crowd noise is too annoying. glad to hear wheelock isn't on it. he's about the only thing more annoying then the fake crowd noise.

    i'll check it out during the season, but for the most part, i watch the highlights on mlsnet.
     
  6. argo15

    argo15 Member

    Jan 5, 2002
    Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I missed most of MLS wrap but I thought the preview show was awful. I couldn't wait to watch it but ended up fast-forwarding through most of it. Really no useful info or analysis.
     
  7. crusio

    crusio New Member

    May 10, 2004
    Princeton
    This isn't the greatest show by any stretch, but it is definetly a step up from those 2 bozo's from last season. That show really sucked.
     
  8. LeeS

    LeeS Member

    Mar 23, 2002
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I like the concept... Show all the goals/big moments/short interviews and then move on.
    But Miles needs to get with it... As mentioned before he kept on saying Guppy made the cross on Gros' goal. In addition he was crediting Vanney instead of Talley on on eof Dallas' goals.

    As for the tables, I watched the replay on Sunday, and they did show the tables. Did they not on Saturday? That seems a no-brainer.

    And yes, cool music instead of ridiculous "crowd" noise!!

    It has potential, just needs to be cleaned up. I like the half hour as opposed to the hour length.

    Lee
     
  9. EL MONO MARIO

    EL MONO MARIO Member

    Apr 9, 2002
    Montevideo, Uruguay
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So again I ask what happened to Johm Harkes and sean wheelock, where they fired???
     
  10. dncm

    dncm Member+

    Apr 22, 2003
    Boston
    They were not shown on the Saturday first-run. Maybe they realized the goof and added it afterwards
     
  11. DAGSports

    DAGSports New Member

    Sep 19, 2003
    Wheelock is still apparently writing a weekly column for FSC's website, but Harkes is gone. He'll just focus on his various duties for DC United.
     
  12. Claymore

    Claymore Member

    Jul 9, 2000
    Montgomery Vlg, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I hope the first show is an aberration. I could've produced that in my garage with a Super 8 and a microphone.
     
  13. mbanks

    mbanks Member

    Mar 11, 1999
    That random whistle...tipped me off. They're using the sound effect from Winning Eleven Seven/Eight whatever, after a close shot.

    I know that sound effect because the game uses it during "practice" sessions. You miss a shot, the crowd goes "ohhh," then the ref blows for a goal kick. When you're practicing shooting you hear it a lot. <heh>

    Yeah, Harkes was a dreadful embarassment. To think he wants to coach one day, good lord.
     
  14. Wizardscharter

    Wizardscharter New Member

    Jul 25, 2001
    Blue Springs, MO
    Embarassingly low level of production. The poor and randomly placed sound effects make me want to watch with the sound muted. The highlights themselves are no better that a second or so pre-shot. Every other highlight package on the channel has the development of the play. This is missing almost entirely from MLS Wrap. SHOW US HOW AND WHY THE PLAY DEVELOPS...

    please!
     
  15. Mr Fish

    Mr Fish Member

    Feb 2, 1999
    W. Orange &lt;-&gt; NYC
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh, the days when one couldn't find MLS highlights anywhere! I think some have been spolied over the past few years.

    While I'd prefer music or the actual game audio over highlights, I appreciate that this year's MLS Wrap provides highlights of every match and player interviews without the Sean & Harksie blather that at times was less than insightful. If time permits, I'd love to see player/team profiles.

    With MLS Wrap and GOLTV's American Soccer and Soccer Files, fans have 90 minutes/week of coverage of the US game. To all you complainers: It's never been this good.
     
  16. Aljarov

    Aljarov Member

    Sep 14, 2004
    fmnorthamerica.com
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    The preview was indeed horrible. It wasn't even factually accurate, or at the very least was a little selective (I'm thinking the In/Out screens).

    It picked odd highlights for players and things - almost like they just picked the first footage of the player they found. And often repeated clips, even if they weren't particualrly noteworthy.

    In general though, I don't mind MLS Wrap, it's quick and deals with most of what I need to know. Not a lot of personality to the show though...
     
  17. SteveMcCartney

    SteveMcCartney Red Card

    Mar 24, 2005
    on this crazy planet
    the idea is to inform fans what's going on in the league in that particular week end, and the show did just that. It's cheaper, less time consumed, probably the 1 hr show doesn't supported by the tottal amount of commercial ads.
     
  18. Quaker

    Quaker Member+

    FC Dallas
    Apr 19, 2000
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Couple of my suggestions:

    - Introduce the game by showing lineups and formations for each team with special notations where appropriate (e.g. "Player A is back from his ankle injury," "Player B is filling in for Player C who is on international duty for...").
    - Show substitutions being made in the highlights package.
    - Lose the fake crowd noise and annoying guitar riffs.
    - Use actual broadcast audio rather than Christian Miles voiceovers.
    - Show us the build-up of a play rather than just the final pass and shot.

    Seems MLS Wrap is produced with too little time and too few resources to make it a first-rate show. Heck, they sometimes start the show before the last match is over! To do it right, they'd probably need to air the show the next day.

    It's not uncommon for MLS Wrap to miss significant events in the last game. (This past week there was no mention of an important red card and two shots off the crossbar.) By simply including the lineups, any substitutions, the build-ups, more highlights, the league standings, top scorers, etc., the show would fill out nicely. I believe they could possibly go back to a full-hour show now that the league is expanded. But I wouldn't want an hour of the current quality.
     
  19. SteveMcCartney

    SteveMcCartney Red Card

    Mar 24, 2005
    on this crazy planet
    The old show was so great, covers all aspects of MLS and US national team and both Hark & wheelock so charming and overall represanting US soccer in general, i loved it, too bad it's gone.
     
  20. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oddly, the needle on my Sarcasm-O-Meter barely moved while reading this. Strange.
     
  21. harttbeat

    harttbeat Member

    Dec 29, 1998
    New York
    They should have the show following day (sunday) and make a better product out of it. It wasnt bad but if they have extra day to work, it would be better i assumed.
     
  22. purojogo

    purojogo Member

    Sep 23, 2001
    US/Peru home
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sorry to quote my own post.... but i had to correct mysef.... Fox Sports en Espa~ol showed "MLS Wrap" (they call it "Resumen MLS", narrated by Mexican commentator Jacobo... ??? ) very early today (Wed) at 12:30 AM ET (or late night Tue, if it makes it better understood)

    At the end they advertised Saturday's game and said MLS Wrap-Resumen MLS will be shown on Sunday at 1PM .... So those of you with FSE, now you know where you can watch MLS highlights....

    and oh, yeah, this highlights show has lenty of room for improvement....At least i finally got to see the best from KC-Colorado......
     
  23. SteveMcCartney

    SteveMcCartney Red Card

    Mar 24, 2005
    on this crazy planet
    the FSC doesn't like the GolTV showing the news ahead of them...
     
  24. AcetheTigah

    AcetheTigah Member+

    Apr 6, 2005
    Woodlands, TX
    I think the old show was much better.

    The problem of the old show was letting the two hosts banter on or making short comments about their two old teams and their careers all the time. Lalas would have been a much better selection than Wheelock and the producer should have reined in Harkes Hubris about his old career all the time (Harkes does have alot to be proud of but no one wants to hear about harkes and the old days referred to all the time...). Harkes did have good technical analysis and would still be a good choice to co -host the show if they could get hime to stick to the present season / league.

    Keep Harkes, add Lalas, Keep the time slot at a consistent and reasonable hour, alter the format just slightly from the old.

    This new format of the 2005 season is too short, cheap, and not enough technical depth.
     
  25. roadkit

    roadkit Greetings from the Fringe of Obscurity

    Jul 2, 2003
    Fornax Cluster
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Classic. :D

    Face it - FSC is about one step up from a cable access channel. The only difference is they get satellite feeds of soccer. Listening to Bretos and whoever call an Argentinian game is one step up (or down, your pick) from using the EPL "Fan Zone" audio. Seriously, what a bunch of useless, rambling, verbal diahhrea.

    I haven't seen MLS wrap this season - actually, I have no idea why I should have to stay up until midnight - can't they just show it Sunday morning? If it's similar to the Bundesliga highlights, count me in - I'll get my analysis from Nick and Steve on FFF.
     

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