Academic Year 19/20 Hot Seat

Discussion in 'Women's College' started by Lord Kril, Aug 7, 2019.

  1. outsiderview

    outsiderview Member

    Oct 1, 2013
    Charlotte
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Just look at social media for programs around early August, you will see pictures that they get that and more.
     
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  2. Footyballs

    Footyballs Member

    Barcelona
    United States Virgin Islands
    Dec 19, 2018
    Where I get my info from, lol, I'm a head coach for a college team. I'm literally quoting what my players get for free, and we have a terrible budget for equipment. We get promo dollars from our contracts with big companies, and they give us free cleats, free running shoes as part of the multi million dollar agreement for us to go with their company for all gear exclusively. And as mentioned, if/when we win titles we get additional gear bonuses and kick backs. It's called contract negotiations, our AD did a good job to negotiate for our teams. I'm sure there are plenty more out there who have good deals as well at the D-1 level. Kind of funny how people presume those on this site are blowing smoke about things, I'm sure some do, but no reason to lie. This is actually what happens and its fairly normal across the board for D-1 players. We provide easily $1,000 to $2,000 worth of gear per year for each player. Granted the $150 Copas and the $230 nemesis or whatever else we choose that year are free, so that saved us $400 roughly off the bat, but just in shoes, 2 pairs cleats, 2 pairs of running shoes it would cost us about $600 retail if we had to pay. Times 30 players, you get the point, it adds up fast. College athletes these days have so much invested in them that we never saw back in the day.

    Back to hot seat topic: Pine Bluff is a shit show. My buddy coached there as one of the five coaches in the past five years reign, and they've had 3 AD's, multiple admin changes, way in debt, they undercut coaches, they don't give accurate numbers for what they have scholarship amount, or even assistant coach pay. He was told $20k for assistant, after hired, we don't have the money, you're on your own. Oh well. Beware for whoever wants the PB job, odds are you won't make it past two years and will have rep tarnished there. Happy Hunting!
     
  3. Tigmon

    Tigmon Member

    Liverpool
    United States
    Aug 5, 2019
    I will back footyballs, my DD is at a P5 school and the amount of gear they get is mind blowing. She just got a new pair of tennis shoes last week and hasn't nearly roughed up the other 2 pair from the fall. In the fall their mongrammed school backpacks weren't ready so they were shipped standins by the vendor until the order was filled, plus they have soccer packs, so now she has 3.
     
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  4. Glove Stinks

    Glove Stinks Member+

    Jan 20, 2014
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    It’s called Christmas in July and it’s rediculous. My wife loves it cuz she gets last years hand me downs
     
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  5. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't know about elsewhere, but out here in Oregon even high schools do deals for equipment, at least with Nike. Not to the extent of what posters are saying about what the colleges get, but basic uniforms, etc.

    And credit to Nike, they have a big program of helping to fund construction of artificial turf soccer fields (which are a necessity given the length of our rainy season), using Nike grind. It is really a great program and has helped expand youth soccer participation tremendously.

    Of course these things are in Nike's interest, but it's great for soccer.
     
  6. Sledhead

    Sledhead Member

    Atalanta
    United States
    Jul 14, 2019
    Many schools have the "table of swag" proudly displayed at their ID camps. I was shocked how much stuff was there. I played college tennis at an NAIA school back in the mid 80's, and remember going to a racket / clothing store with our coach and we all got an allowance to buy matching sweatsuits.
     
  7. iamdelgado

    iamdelgado Member

    Dec 3, 2019
    Sammy Boateng no longer has the "interim" tag on his name at Western Michigan
     
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  8. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006
    #908 Cliveworshipper, Jan 27, 2020
    Last edited: Jan 27, 2020

    Hmm.. some WSOC coaches get trickled on pretty well. A couple at state schools are public record.

    here is a random contract with a WSOC coach posted on his school’s website.

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    https://goheels.com/documents/2018/12/18/Anson_Dorrance_2018_Nike_Contract.pdf
    Granted, not all coaches get that,( nor do they in the revenue sports) and some coaches have their shoe deals as part of their contracts with their schools, but $200,000 a year is a pretty good trickle.

    it is only $60K less than UNC basketball coach Roy Williams will get this year in his Nike contract.
     
  9. oneofnine

    oneofnine Member

    Nov 21, 2011
    I know this isn't "hot seat" material, so I'm sure someone will say "get back on topic" BUT we are supposedly a mid major and my team equipment budget is. . .....drumroll.......$10,000 and we have 26-30 players on roster AND no free shoes, cleats, anything. You do the math. Point is, there's a big variety
     
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  10. USsoccerguy

    USsoccerguy Member

    Feb 5, 2009
    Club:
    Gamba Osaka
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Looks like I was wrong. Surprised and amazed that WMU went this way, but honestly, it's hard to be surprised about that place. Maybe they can get some consistency with staff and build something in the MAC. Best of luck to Sammy. With the lack of support there, he'll certainly need it.
     
  11. SoccerTrustee

    SoccerTrustee Member

    Feb 5, 2008
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Why are you surprised about Western Michigan? The guy there had them finish 3rd in the MAC, not bad at all especially for a program in transition. Would think that would earn the job and then build from there.

    CPthomas you mentioned if anyone had thoughts on Long Island. Yeah I do, it's a dumb hire. But shit show places do stuff like close an entire campus down before notifying their players and hire 4 coaches in 7 years, so I expected nothing less from LIU. If you read the release it sounds like the guy actually had a hand with the Stanford men and really all he did was lay down cones as a volunteer. Wasn't even at Kentucky for the full season. So not surprised that LIU is just being LIU.
     
  12. USsoccerguy

    USsoccerguy Member

    Feb 5, 2009
    Club:
    Gamba Osaka
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
  13. Lord Kril

    Lord Kril Member

    Pittsburgh Riverhounds
    Jul 3, 2018
    Any word from the Ivys? It looks like Nicole and Dwight are still listed as head coaches.
     
  14. iamdelgado

    iamdelgado Member

    Dec 3, 2019
    Penn is back to a national search. They offered the position to their asst and she turned them down.
     
  15. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    on this one add apparently college education in Canada ain't cheap either, you got tp pay around another $12K(CA dollars) in yearly expenses even if you got an full, athletic scholarship(CA of 1.25 + 1.00 US dollars)
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  16. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006
    Apparently in Canada a scholarship doesn’t include full cost of attendance.
     
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  17. Footyballs

    Footyballs Member

    Barcelona
    United States Virgin Islands
    Dec 19, 2018
    Someone asked why Jacksonville U was so bad lately... Looked into it a little bit more closely and spoke to a friend familiar with the program, they were last in the nation in scoring in 2019 with total of 5 goals scored, all by a freshman player. Team barely got over 100 shots on the year to go winless in 16 games. Their team packed it in with 6 players within 25 yards of the goal regularly doing very low pressure defense. Scholarships, only 8 to 8.5 for the team for a college that costs $54,000 per year to attend. At least St. Marys was fully funded and has hotbed of talent nearby to recruit from. This might be an even harder place to win at than St. Marys. Online average out of pocket cost of attendance after scholarships, financial aid, ect is $25k per year. So, yikes on whoever they hire this month, might be ugly there for awhile.

    Side note, Pine Bluff coach hasn't been let go, but might be leaving for non coaching related job. Dixie state rumors new coach might leave? Don't know how founded that is, but that was in the rumor mill recently he was looking. That'd mean third coaching staff in three years there too.
     
  18. OGSoccerCoach

    OGSoccerCoach Member

    May 11, 2017
    This is a program that went to the NCAA Tournament in 2013 and played in the conference semi finals in 2017 and 2015 with less resources. Such a bad hire made in May 2018, but hey, 1 win in two years got her a pay raise and into the SEC, where LSU will be at the bottom for the foreseeable future. I don't think JU is a terrible job but it's not one that will consistently be in the top 100 RPI without a scholarship bump at the least.
     
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  19. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not sure "lately" is the right characterization:

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  20. Socalsoccercoach

    Dec 1, 2013
    The Dixie Coach is always on the move. He has been at a lot of different places so him moving would not be a surprise at all.
     
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  21. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Naw—-this is more than the norm in the US. Only maybe the top 25% might get a full ride & that’s often reserved for foreigners. D3 gives zero athletic scholarships, D2 &/or NAIA often split their money into smaller/part time scholarships.
    What gets me is past the tuition, how expensive colleges are, especially with room & board; ‘pity the fool’ that got to stay in a dorm cuz colleges often impose an expensive, full meal plan on you. Playing sports is particularly tough as coaches will discourage you to take hard classes & often athletes end up with Mickey Mouse degrees like bachelor in Physical Ed.
     
  22. Branko Segota

    Branko Segota Member

    Feb 24, 2003
    I was just curious where you got your info from. I coached collegiately for 30 years, in three D-I conferences. NONE of these conferences had deals with manufacturers that "gave" out this type of gear. Many offered you a small, and I mean small stipend for the HC to get some gear. Otherwise, it was always a 2 for 1 or 3 for 1 type arrangement. So no - it is not normal practice. Now if you happen to be at a top 50 basketball or football school - which most are not, then you might see these types of perks. FWIW - I wasn't trying to accuse you of blowing smoke.
     
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  23. Eddie K

    Eddie K Member+

    May 5, 2007
    Funny, nearly every kid in America is taught how to run, jump, catch, and kick, by a PE teacher with one of those 'Mickey Mouse' degrees.

    About 90% of the college players I work with get degrees and grades that qualify them for graduate or professional schools. Some are Doctors and lawyers but a few have become PE teachers and most State's require them to have a Master's degree to keep their teaching credentials. It's not rocket science but they work their butts off on a fixed salary scale so I wouldn't exactly call them "Minnie Mouse". If you said that to their face, most of them would kick your ass, or at least embarrass you with a nutmeg or 2.

    Frankly, everyone reading this better hope your kids get a good PE teacher in primary school and should hope that "PE" doesn't disappear from schools altogether.

    Sorry for the thread detour.
     
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  24. luvthegame

    luvthegame Member

    Oct 17, 2005
    Mickey Mouse Degree huh!!! Not sure you know what you are talking about. At least on the Women's Soccer side of things you will find that very few are graduating with Physical Education Degrees.
     
  25. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    #ProRelForUSA
    United States
    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What exactly is a degree that won't qualify for graduate or professional school?

    As long as someone has a bachelor degree, they can get into more schooling.
     

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