https://streamable.com/clway Is there any way we could justify a yellow here or is it blatantly obvious that Luiz is not attempting for the ball and it had to be red?
It has to be red and this is a textbook example of why the Law change was so silly for me. Under the old Law, Luiz never makes this type challenge (well maybe he does because he's an idiot) as he knows any type of foul is getting himself sent off. Here he is trying to fool the referee in "attempting to play the ball" while at the same denying an empty net goal. He was expecting a yellow there. Look at his reaction when the red is shown. Good for the referee to not be deceived by this blatant cheating, but the fact that you and others were looking for a way to justify Luiz staying in the game is an example of why the Law change was wrong.
Trying to think how many retakes city have had against ones given against them for this exact thing. Not sure what the AR is not seeing there. EDIT: Was thinking encroachment, not keeper off the line. VAR would not be checking that per League instruction at the beginning of the season correct?
Agreed with everything except this. I think that was feigned surprise. The protest was way too muted.
Here's an interesting one from the Championship this afternoon between Middlesbrough and Birmingham... https://streamable.com/ysvtg Unfortunately, it doesn't seem that we can hear the whistle go...
Seen him ref loads of times and he isn't biased against Arsenal, he's just biased towards a sort of game that doesn't suit Arsenal at all.
Others in this thread? I must've missed that. The dozen or so Arsenal supporters I watched the match with agreed it was a red and were a bit miffed Luiz just didn't let Abraham take the shot and even if he scored, we'd at least have 11 still on the pitch.
As a full disclosure, I thought it was red. But as a hypothetical, I started wondering. And as an arsenal fan, that wondering got more creative and I was thinking if there was anything there that could give an opportunity for a yellow. But my thinking was the hand movement there and just a blatant taking down made it impossible - it wasn't a mistimed challenge at the ball, it was just a takedown from behind.
Just go to Italy, they VAR'd one of these to be a YC... lots of hand holding that brought the guy down with a late foot in to try and sell the "attempt at the ball"
Not quite. The decision was yellow and it wasn’t flagged as clearly wrong. I disagreed strongly (I think it’s up further in this thread). But it’s not the same standard; a VAR intervening to change the right decision to the wrong one isn’t the same as a VAR allowing a wrong decision to stand. Caveats and corollaries about the word “clearly,” notwithstanding, of course.
Crystal Palace v. Southampton, Referee in Yellow while a team is in mostly yellow? Looks a bit too close on my screen, wonder if it was better in person.
Just as bad in person. Looked particularly funny during the walkout, with Saints wearing completely yellow warm up jackets. I did wonder whether Marriner was enjoying the 'Yellows' chants from the away end...
So it looks like one team is in Red/Blue the other is in Black/Yellow with the keepers in Green and Light Blue. Really the kit options screwed over the crew. Maybe that teal color would have been better?
Oh I agree, it just doesn't help much when a call like this is blown. Arsenal need all the "breaks" they can get. (although this would not really be a break, just a correct call) They screw themselves plenty, they really don't need other people screwing them. That's just kicking someone when they're down.
Not really an argument. Just the way things are. Sorry. Facts be facts (i.e. the data is there for anyone to look at). You don't have to like them. They still exist.
England referees don't have an option of teal/light green under the current Nike colors. They did under the 16-17 Nike uniforms that included that cranberry color option. Their colors are only blue, red, black, and volt yellow. Nike's only other color that they sell (and that the Dutch occasionally wear) is orange. That could have worked. This is why I've been such a proponent of a color similar to below. This is basically the color of my son's non-white basketball uniform, and they wear this color nearly all the time - including against teams wearing white. Perhaps the gray could be slightly darker, but this would work great with what we saw for CRY-SOU.
Could the the third uniforms have been an option? Crystal Palace: white/white/white, Southampton: white/white/blue.
I mentioned this in a different thread many moons ago, but I also think every professional team should have an all-white uniform option. This doesn't even have to be a bespoke design or something that teams sell. I thought of this last spring when Portland (dark green) played Seattle (rave green) in MLS. Unless Portland wore its all-white secondary kit, there was going to be some type of color clash. If every professional team had an all-white option (note this can be a third or even a fourth kit), it would eliminate some of the uniform issues we are seeing. I'm all in favor of color vs color matchups, but sometimes they don't work that well (claret/burgundy vs black, light blue vs royal blue, etc.). Knowing each team has an all-white kit option would make things easier in many ways. I know we rip on high school rules a lot here, but the one rule they have that I do like is that the visiting team wears white shirts and all-white socks while the home team wears non-white shirts and socks.
I think the alternative for this to be NO team is allowed to have an option that's close to pure Black. Even Navy has to get lighter, and just make all soccer jerseys lite colored and Referees can go back to ONLY Buying black because I'm sick of buying JERSEYS!
TOT-NOR: Short review for a Norwich player leaving his studs in a tackle well after the ball is gone, no red Then a LOOOONG review for a clear penalty on Tottenham.