The 2021 U-20 Qualifying Thread

Discussion in 'Youth National Teams' started by Peretz48, Mar 18, 2019.

  1. Patrick167

    Patrick167 Member+

    Dortmund
    United States
    May 4, 2017
    I don't think he is an attacking mid at all. He is maybe a second striker. He doesn't have the touch or ability to operate in central midfield yet. He played there for the U17 team, but that was one of the reasons the team was so poor.

    He is not a winger, not a #9, not a midfielder. He is a guy with a lot of MLS minutes at a young age. Not sure what he will become. I would start Booth at CAM before him.

    He obviously has something to break into MLS. Super curious to see what happens. Maybe a Zardes type #9 someday.
     
  2. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    I haven't seen most of those kids, so I can only compare those I've seen. Reyna is obviously the superior talent (even before accounting for his latest strides), but I don't see anything that makes me say Thomas Roberts is ahead of him. I think Nyeman is more skilled, but he's still very young and I suspect would get bullied at the U20 level right now.

    The whole "only scored b/c terrible defense" is a pretty ridiculous comment -- it's what people say when they don't have a better argument. He scored and was pretty productive at the MLS level at 16, playing for Peter Vermes. I'm sure the level of defense dropped shockingly just for Busio.

    It's hard to argue with comments like elite since there's no formal definition, though I'd ask if all of the guys you'd prefer over him have elite skills in your mind. He has a very good first touch, has very nice vision and passing skills. He's not super fast or going to take guys one on one with his dribble.

    And he's not really a CAM right now. So I get that.

    But he's 17, highly skilled, well rounded ... I just think there's a decent chance he breaks out.
     
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  3. bshredder

    bshredder BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 23, 1999
    Club:
    Millwall FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #428 bshredder, Jan 21, 2020
    Last edited: Jan 21, 2020
    I don't have Busio in the best U-20 team at the moment.

    The best U-20 team I have right now is.

    Ochoa
    Las
    Araujo
    Hoffmann
    Otasowie
    Sepulveda
    Akanyirige
    Richie
    Flach
    Cardoso/Morris/Kayo
    Booth
    Roberts
    Bassett
    Miljevic
    Harper
    de la Fuete
    Reyna
    Llanez
    Vassilev
    Kelman

    Before everyone starts picking it apart, this is still very fluid and I am shooting from the hip a bit. I could be off here and there (particularly in central defense and at left back) but so many of these names in the midfield, wings, and forwards, pick themselves.

    Then you have to come down to which players are getting released by their clubs, which players (if any) are with the Olympic team/ full NT, etc.

    But with qualifying in the summer, releases won't be too tough to come by. The ones most in jeopardy are Otasowie, Reyna, KDLF, and Vassilev.

    But once injuries, release issues, and U-23/USMNT commitments come into play, then you go into a different range of players.

    Ritaccio, Busio, Bello, Pepi, AOC, Hernandez-Foster, Sousa, Hoppe, Odunze, Scally, Palomino, Sealy, Tessmann.
     
  4. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    Yes.

    He has an English accent.

    And he toes the party line.
     
  5. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    If you want to parse words, you can, but I don’t disagree with the idea that he’s not on a full strength U-20 roster.
     
  6. David Kerr

    David Kerr Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    When a defender decides to dribble across his box with three other defenders on the 18 and directly dribbles into Busio without him really moving to make a defensive play I would call that terrible defense. When another goal happens because a defender decides to not talk to his keeper and neither end up clearing the ball and then both players trip over each other leaving Busio the only one there with an open net I would also call that terrible defense. Those goals wouldn't even happen in the DA 9.9 times out of 10. Go watch the clips they're down right embarrassing for the defenders... i am pretty sure both made the worst defense highlight reel for the MLS in 2019.
     
  7. David Kerr

    David Kerr Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The only one's I really disagree with are Richie and Flach over Kobe and Sousa. Even if both had a good camp Kobe and Sousa are locks.
     
  8. Balerion

    Balerion Member+

    Aug 5, 2006
    Roslindale, MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For qualifying, the manager will have to take his best estimation of our top available squad. That estimation will undoubtedly be rough around the edges because the manager is new, qualifying is early, and there's been very little time to do a thorough and proper evaluation of the player pool. Hudson (or anyone else) will have a tough time feeling totally confident that he's taken the absolute best possible squad under the circumstances. Fortunately, we appear to be fairly deep.

    Should we qualify, there will be an abnormally long gap between qualifying and the WC. At that time, there should be a lot of time for evaluation, roster refinement, and a chance for more '02s and other late bloomers to take a run at the roster.
     
  9. Lookingforleftbacks

    Galaxy
    United States
    Dec 17, 2016
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would like to remind people that it’s generally a bad practice to completely judge a player’s career potential when he’s 17, especially if he’s already getting first team minutes. 2 years ago I would have bet you that Indiana Vassilev had absolutely no pro potential at all.

    with that being said, I don’t rate Busio at all right now either. I just believe the actual ‘21 u20 roster will be vastly different from what we have on paper now and the reason is because it is impossible to predict who will take the steps forward and improve enough to play at the highest level. I can see a scenario where Busio is at that level.
     
  10. bshredder

    bshredder BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 23, 1999
    Club:
    Millwall FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe Richie gets bumped for either Sousa, Bello, or Kobe. I admit I don't have a feel for Richie yet.

    Based on everything I heard in this camp, I am leaning heavily towards Flach being on the team for March and in qualifying.

    As @Balerion correctly points out, there will be a lot more time to sort through the pool AFTER qualifying. This isn't a typical U-20 cycle with regards to timing (although it might become the norm moving forwards since CONCACAF wants a time that ensures the best U-20 players will play and that likely means the summer before the U-20 WC).

    But for now, with just a January camp and a March camp before qualifying, players who take advantage of these times with the U-20 team and play well are going to be given more deference. So advantage Flach
     
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  11. David Kerr

    David Kerr Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's ridiculous that concacaf through this curveball at us but the nice part is that after we walk through qualifying again we'll have even more time to integrate the other players and 2003's like Nyeman, Gomes, and Chifamba. I'm expecting March to be a pretty Euro heavy camp.
     
  12. bshredder

    bshredder BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 23, 1999
    Club:
    Millwall FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The March camp is going to very closely resemble the qualifying team. The key MLS players will still be there
     
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  13. David Kerr

    David Kerr Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My hope is that guys like Jose Gallegos and other USL players will not get over looked because they aren't at MLS clubs or in Europe.
     
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  14. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    That's almost certainly true.
     
  15. Balerion

    Balerion Member+

    Aug 5, 2006
    Roslindale, MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think it helps us. We have a bigger chunk of our U20 pool at foreign clubs than any other CONCACAF nation.
     
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  16. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    Still he was one of two underaged players (another was Booth) on U-17 WC team, which was the best U-17 team in a very long time.
     
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  17. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    Nyeman will get killed playing against U-20 teams.
     
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  18. ielag

    ielag Member+

    Jul 20, 2010
    He’ll be playing against mostly older players than that this season with Loudon. So we’ll see how he holds up.
     
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  19. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    He played with Loudoun last season, so we already know how he plays against older players.

    I also wouldn't rule out that he might play for DC United instead of Loudoun. That roster does not have many players in his positions, and if given a real chance to earn minutes, I think he's good enough to do so.
     
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  20. David Kerr

    David Kerr Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He played last season against older players at Loudon and did very well.
     
  21. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Member+

    Feb 11, 2002
    Jupiter, Fl.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If I had my choice of Hudsons with an English accent, I'd probably prefer Ray...
     
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  22. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    Anthony Hudson literally handed Mexico a Dos A Cero in his first match with the team. Tough crowd! ;)
     
  23. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Only coach I know of the moons the other teams supporter's when they make him mad.
     
  24. Rafael Hernandez

    Rafael Hernandez Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 6, 2002
  25. bshredder

    bshredder BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 23, 1999
    Club:
    Millwall FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A brand new interview in English with Flach

    VIA ASN
     

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