To hate VAR or to hate the LOTG? That is the question [R]

Anything like this?

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...injury-bristol-city-latest-news-a9292476.html

 

sweet jesus...

 

Sometimes when you quote laws yes I can see it. But when you quote opinions you come off as a pontificating git, Like your word is in the scriptures.
Look at burnings vid post 172 and tell me the Ref was right and give me the chapter where it was Alisson's fault for getting in the way.

 

Poor kid, looks nasty. I like her attitude.
I didn't get cut until they had to open up the face to get to be broken bones and lift the pieces back in place.
Afte one op I woke up with a young nun pushing my cot back to the ward, geez I could feel it. I said to the nun "Is it ok if I express discomfort, It smarts." "That's OK Mr Lewis." "AW FU CK!!!"...............".MR LEWIS!!!"" sorry sister.

 

If you're fine with that being no-call if it happens to Alisson in the CL or something, then fair play I guess.
I'm only representing my opinion in here, and in my experience refs tend to protect goalkeepers in these situations.
I'm not sure I've ever personally see that kind of play occur and not be called whistled a foul.
Even if I could think of an example, I'd probably just consider it a poor decision by the ref.

As we both know this isn't only about "the call", necessarily... we just have to think about the VVD-Lamela kick in the calf play, and the various reactions that inspired. Citing the rule about not being allowed to kick people, citing the rule about shielding/playing the ball, that didn't do me much good in that situation, did it? Because when people can look at one piece of video and have wildly different opinions on it relative to the rulebook, something more complicated is going on...

But I've never claimed to be an authority on anything other than my own opinion, and that's a really obvious foul to me.
I couldn cite the rules about fouls, which apply to keepers, if you think it will help.

 

Deleted snide opening comment.

Here are 3 other opinions from the 3 greatest Liverpool supporters. Ones who know a little about fouls.
Neville, Keane and Lineker

Neville has even explained that he thought United were fortunate not to be further behind.

"They think it's a foul by Virgil van Dijk on David de Gea but my initial reaction was it absolutely wasn't. It looked like he just dropped it. We will see on VAR and it will come down to whether Van Dijk has raised his arm or not," Neville told Sky Sports.

The goal was taken away and Match of the Day presenter Lineker also shared a similar opinion to Neville.

"Not sure that was a clear and obvious error, if an error at all," Lineker tweeted.

Pundit Roy Keane blasted the decision to overrule the goal in his half-time analysis.

He said: “Why he has disallowed this goal is beyond me. I can't get my head around it. He's got his eye on the ball. De Gea's done this before, I think there's a softness to him. The game's gone mad."

There are comments from others, like Klopp but I suppose that may be considered too partisan.

Then quoting that Lamella incident doesn't help your cause. There's an article I read and I've noticed how some players put themselves in dangerous situations like Lamela to draw fouls.

 

I've watched that repeatedly. The only thing Virgil did was jump for the ball. He didn't do a damn thing wrong.
DeGea milked the crap out of it simply because he screwed up his jump. Situations like that are the weakest part of his game. When he first came to England he was useless at high balls, there was a lot of talk of MU shipping him out after 1 season. He got a lot better but in the past 12 months he has really regressed.

I have - scores of times, if not hundreds. Colliding with a goalie is NOT a foul.

 

Jumping into a keeper and bumping his arm with your head so that he drops the ball is a foul as far as I have ever seen, that's all I'm saying.

I should rephrase my point though... I have seen it treated as a no-call, specifically in instances when it doesn't soon result in a turnover. If the keeper is still able to fall on the ball or retain possession, there's no need for a whistle. There still sometimes is, but I could see a ref just saying no harm no foul play on. But for me when that bump causes a loss of possession, it needs to be called.

If that happens to Alisson against Atletico, and it is the reason Atletico score the away goal to knock LFC out of the CL... that would be total bullshit IMO. If we disagree, we disagree.

 

Maybe. Assuming he's actually got the ball.

 

Don't ManU subsequently regain possession?

 

Linekar hates VAR, and Keane is an idiot/clown/dinosaur.

Yeah, this isn't unfair... it's a very close play. I think refs need to protect keepers in these instances, which is why I feel like I never see this treated as a no-call when it causes a loss of possession.

 

Yeah, then arguably you'd say that that's why the ref didn't call it! That's possible too.
I just think the bad turnover/good pressure by Mane puts his decision in a tough light.

And VAR made the correct call for me. I'm not sure of the technicality of how VAR is relevant to each phase of play, there were people on twitter saying it shouldn't apply under the specific rules? Because United took possession and attempted a clearance? I don't know, that could be true. But this is how VAR should work according to the spirit of the laws, IMO... Virg bumped him with his head, if not for that there's very little chance he drops the ball, the whole play was the result of DDG not keeping the ball.

Shame because the pressure and the strike was beautiful. But it wouldn't have happened without the contact from Virg. That's how VAR should work in spirit, for me.

 

Again, my argument is he never had the ball .........

 

That's a long winded sermon. The foul according to St Hobo.

Perhaps another couple of hundred words would make it so. A few more of these posts and you can stack this load of tripe a lot higher.

 

So calling them names. Makes you right and them wrong.
They have opinions, but you have the truth.

 

Comments from an ex prem ref.

GAFFE
Liverpool 2-0 Manchester United: De Gea NOT fouled by Van Dijk in build-up to Firmino’s disallowed goal, says ex-Premier League referee
By Jake Bacon
20th January 2020, 10:59 am

Former Premier League referee Peter Walton agreed with Gary Neville and Roy Keane that VAR was wrong to disallow Roberto Firmino’s goal against Manchester United.

 

Of course not. But I mean, what if I found 3-4 former players/refs/managers that agreed with me, does that make me right? Are we back to square one? We can agree to disagree, it's no big deal.

You seem a little sensitive though... it's just opinions man! Not trying to offend you or anything.

 

Yeah, just took a close look at it. Maybe you're right. I still generally prefer keepers be protected from this kind of challenge... but this is a very close call. It's closer than I initially thought of it.

 

And if it's a close call/experts disagree ................ how is it a clear and obvious error???

 

Well, "experts" disagree about lots of things.
It only has to be clear and obvious for one person to be ruled as such.

 

Let me guess who the ONE is.....

OK I'm joking.

From your last post. Yes I do take it seriously. I showed a photo of VvD with his hands in a natural position and DeGea flapping at the ball.
I gave the opinions of two lifelong Liverpool haters. An England legend turned pundit. And a ref from the Prem. I deliberately didn't choose a Liverpool supporter.

I admit I do become frustrated not when you gave your erroneous opinion but when you keep repeating time and time again the same argument but with longer and longer posts.
Then you say you can find more opinions saying it was a foul. Try that like I did only with Liverpool pundits.....Klopp had a say. Present that

The ref on the field had a good view and made the correct call. In my opinion it was the reaction from the unwashed mob from the Manure pile that convinced the off field ref to wrongly change the desision.

OK I'm calm now and I rest my case.

 

Well I'm not going to not defend an opinion because you think I use too many words to do it. I don't know why it's my job to care about that... it's a message board.

Either way, I said it's a close call after reviewing it and can generally see your point. Doesn't change my overall opinion about the play itself, in that I always will prefer they protect the keeper which is easily defensible with a look at the rules. Still a good win for LFC, and I could see it going either way after a closer review.

On to the next VAR decision.

 

I was wondering the same thing. I feel like there was another instance where this happened in the league this season (where the other team got the ball back then gave it away and cried about the previous play when they got scored on).

In MLS, when the ball changes hands, it's a fresh play and the previous play can't be reviewed (when there's a goal scored). Anyway, I can't lie and act like we'd be ok if that happened to Allison. Our only gripe (besides what I outlined above) could be with the fact that it was looked at live by the ref (dead on) and he didn't call a foul. Then he lets the man in the sky overrule him. How is that "clear and obvious?"

 

That's an interesting rule. If it were in the prem you'd think they'd know not to review it in the booth...