Arsenal v. Sheffield United, Saturday January 18 2020, 1500 GMT

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  1. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    It's truly unforgivable that Emery wasn't sacked during the November international break. Those two extra games (and three extra weeks) they gave him would have been extremely valuable for a new hire, and it was obvious that Emery wasn't going to turn things around.
     
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  2. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Yep that was dumb, and led to more time wasted with Freddie.

    It's never too early to sack the manager!
     
  3. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
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    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
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    Arsenal FC
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    United States
    Yep. If the Kroenke's actually understood anything and/or cared, Raul's job would be under the microscope right now. Thinking of giving Emery a contract extension.....FFS.

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  4. Walia Ibex

    Walia Ibex Red Card

    Arsenal
    Ethiopia
    Oct 2, 2019
    I like the idea of loyalty of being different then the rest of modren football and plastic clubs. Hence I had no problem with keeping Wenger in his last 2 years when everybody was calling for his head and was quite sad he was forced to leave. But sometimes enough is enough and right around the Watford match when we blew a 2-0 lead and conceded 30+ shots to the worse team in the league I knew Emery had to go. It was our fault tbh hiring a mediocre manager like Emery after forcing a legend out. But judging and comparing Artea based on 5 matches with the dross he has to manage and the depths of stink we were is unfair. Until he gets a full summer, transfers in an a preseason is when I will properly judge him. Klopp finished 8th his 1st year and took awhile to fix his defense. Give our boss some time. To expect much from this roster is unfair.
     
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  5. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hey @mebeSajid, it's 20 hours until KO mate.

    Sadly for me (and joy for the rest of you guys?) I may not be able to watch the Chelsea game live.
     
  6. crazy150

    crazy150 Member+

    Aug 27, 2006
    North Cuba
    It’s small numbers, but you can compare results against United, Sheffield, bournemouth and palace this season with basically the same squads. On XG it isn’t markedly different.


    Not to be apologist, but just to present the other side of the argument I don’t think the two weeks would have mattered much. Just look at what we’ve done in the last two weeks. We’ve gone from beating United at home to drawing Sheffield. The two weeks before that we draw at bournemouth.

    While I like what Arteta is doing and am optimistic, the man is no magician and with two extra weeks he isn’t going to turn us into Barca. It’s also possible in order to get Arteta we had to wait and I for one am fine with the club doing their diligence and looking at other candidates. Even if it costs a few points now, getting the right coach is more important than a quick coach.
     
  7. bandwagongooner

    bandwagongooner Member+

    Dec 9, 2006
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Two weeks without any matches to work on new stuff undoubtedly have been helpful. The more concerning issue is the process in the front office. The way to handle that sort of thing is the way Spurs did it. Make the decision and get on with things. Nothing was going to change with the status quo. In general, firings in football happen too late instead of too early by a wide margin.
     
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  8. crazy150

    crazy150 Member+

    Aug 27, 2006
    North Cuba
    You lost me at “the way spurs did it”. Spurs are on the hook for 10-15m per year And he’s already showing signs of a collapse with one win in his last 6 league matches.

    Yes, more time for the new manager would have been better, but isn’t it more important to get the right man? I’m okay with the way the front office handled it honestly. No use throwing good money after bad by rushing to sign an emery replacement in the unlikely event that the 4th place was salvageable.
     
  9. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    The fixtures coming out of that break gave us probably our easiest stretch of the season. Sticking with a flailing Emery instead of going to a (by early accounts) competent Arteta for those matches completely sank the season.

    Besides that, it's good for a new hire to have time to get comfortable. Imagine it's your life: you get a new job at a company. Would you rather your first two weeks involve you getting settled in, meeting your coworkers, and getting acquainted with the new role, or be thrust straight to the helm of a behind-schedule $200 million project that's more likely than not to fail? In which of those scenarios are you more likely to succeed?
     
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  10. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    While Jose may turn out to be a bad decision, I don't think Spurs can be said to have rushed in to it.

    Clearly Levy planned to cut Poch loose for a while, and only moved when he had everything set in the background.

    I feel like Arsenal were totally unprepared to replace Emery.
     
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  11. bandwagongooner

    bandwagongooner Member+

    Dec 9, 2006
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And if they don't like Jose they can fire him. The only limit is how much they're willing to spend on firing managers.
     
  12. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Yes - its more the Chelsea approach

    Fire early and often.

    My critique of the Emery thing is Arse did not appear to have a succession plan in place. Rather they adopted a process more like you'd do end of season.

    They should have a ranked list, and obviously you have to react to who is actually available at the time.
     
  13. crazy150

    crazy150 Member+

    Aug 27, 2006
    North Cuba
    That’s a fine criticism, but we don’t know what was going on we only know the result.
    The club could have had a list, but if those managers are employed it’s not like you can go to them and say “hey buddy, can we do a precontract with you in case we fire our manager at some point this season?” And the rumor is that’s exactly what Levy did with mourinho since Poch started bitching about no signings—ironic I know. While it may be good preparation, there is a reason why miurinho was available—he’s shit.

    It’s my opinion that it didn’t cost us much to delay. While Arteta is talking up the current season since he must maintain fan interest, the season is practically over. We are <1% chance to get top 4 and have been below 10% for quite a while. The Europa league is a crap shoot as well with several clubs that are better than us so the chances of CL footy next season are low.

    For me, their approach was a reasonable long term play vs spuds/chelsea short term plays.
     

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