Premier League 2019-20 Assignments and Discussion [Rs]

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  1. Sam_C

    Sam_C Member

    Manchester City
    Brazil
    Jun 19, 2018
    #1126 Sam_C, Jan 19, 2020
    Last edited: Jan 19, 2020
    The law includes wording that specifically exempts handling from a deliberate play like this one: "It is usually an offense if a player... the hand/arm is above/beyond their shoulder level (unless the player deliberately plays the ball which then touches their hand/arm)." In this situation, the defender is deliberately playing the ball before it hits his arm, so you should not call this handling. I won't go down the rabbit hole very far, but keep in mind that if this defender was an attacker who gains possession/control in the exact same situation and they score in the opponents' goal or create a goal-scoring opportunity it IS handling regardless of the previous section.
     
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  2. AremRed

    AremRed Member+

    Sep 23, 2013
    Pawson not off to a great start, no called obvious fouls on Shaw and De Gea. Goal overturned via VAR.
     
  3. Ghastly Officiating

    Tottenham Hotspur
    United States
    Oct 12, 2017
    While I think he should have had the foul live, is that technically subject to review? It didn’t establish possession. The Man Utd defender controlled the ball with his chest and then he tried to dribble out of the back which he then turned the ball over to Mane.
     
  4. TxSooner

    TxSooner Member

    Aug 12, 2011
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    If there was possession and control by the defense, that should have ended the attacking phase of play.

    There was no foul after Liverpool won the ball back and started the APP again.

    Though the VAR protocol seems to be more along the lines of mere guidelines or suggestions
     
  5. bothways

    bothways Member

    Jun 27, 2009
    pawson in this situation didn't help himself by not adjusting his position to see the challenge better...he seemed very lackadaiscal. and did anyone notice it looked like he had his hand close to his mouth..like he was ready to blow the whistle when de gea was challenged
     
  6. chwmy

    chwmy Member+

    Feb 27, 2010
    So in the closing seconds of liv v mu, Alison collects a ball directly after a swing and a miss by a piop, flag goes up and Pawson raises his hand for idfk. Doesn’t look like he blew his whistle to stop play. Alison immediately distributes to Salah who scores. Pawson did not indicate advantage.

    what’s the expectation here? Play is not stopped I guess because he didn’t blow the whistle. But it seems like he shouldn’t indicate idfk if he’s not stoppping play.
     
  7. LampLighter

    LampLighter Red Card

    Bugeaters FC
    Apr 13, 2019


    No indirect signal, he puts his hand up to give a thumbs up for the correct call but we're playing on. Balls in play, good goal.
     
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  8. Ghastly Officiating

    Tottenham Hotspur
    United States
    Oct 12, 2017
    He is just acknowledging the AR for the decision but is letting the play continue.
     
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  9. chwmy

    chwmy Member+

    Feb 27, 2010
    Ah that makes sense. I guess you never see a wave down in the pros with comms and all that...
     
  10. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 25, 2006
    Another example of how stupid the auto-caution for taking your shirt off is.

    Mo finalize a game-sealing goal against biggest rival in a win that probably gives them enough to win the league and there is zero time left. A mandatory card for that celebration is just stupid.
     
  11. djmtxref

    djmtxref Member

    Apr 8, 2013
    The flip side is that players know it’s a yellow card so that’s part of the effect of the celebration. The player is saying “screw the card, I’m doing the shirt off celebration.”
     
  12. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 25, 2006
    i’d argue the players are so pumped, they don’t even think about it.

    There are reasons for the card on certain celebrations:
    - delay
    - political/inappropriate messages
    - posing in front of sponsor board

    But just like in regular life, zero tolerance blanket bands are simply overkill and unreasonable. They also tell referees “we can’t trust you to manage your game”.
     
  13. LampLighter

    LampLighter Red Card

    Bugeaters FC
    Apr 13, 2019
    The problem I see now is that if you give a referee an excuse not to card someone, he'll use it. And then other referees won't, and all we'll see is even more protests and players surrounding officials after goals have been scored and shirts removed.

    Better to just make it a blanket rule, otherwise the media will make it all the individual referees fault. So this is why we can't have nice things.
     
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  14. TxSooner

    TxSooner Member

    Aug 12, 2011
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Sergio Agüero did get booked for removing his shirt during that match where he scored arguably the most dramatic goal in the premier league era when he scored in stoppage time to win the championship on the last match day.
     
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  15. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Can't believe no one posted this important news:

    Mike Dean has refereed his 500th Premier League game when he took charge of Arsenal's 1-1 draw against Sheffield United.

    Test your Mike Dean knowledge here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51150991 :D
     
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  16. Pierre Head

    Pierre Head Member+

    Dec 24, 2005
    Only one active player has more than 500 PL matches! And only 13 players in total.
    A terrific achievement! Congrats to Mike Dean!

    PH
     
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  17. SCV-Ref

    SCV-Ref Member

    Spurs
    Australia
    Feb 22, 2018
    It also goes into their accumulated card count. Which for Salah is 1/5.
     
  18. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thanks. I totally get it. I've had a couple of times where I've called handling where the ball was deflected/deliberately played and then handled when the arm was near head height. Fortunately, none of the calls have led to any bad results. I'll make sure I am interpreting this differently now.
     
  19. djmtxref

    djmtxref Member

    Apr 8, 2013
    I think at this point in the season it is 1/10, but the key stat is the 1. Liverpool doesn't get many cards. Only four players on the squad have more yellows than Salah.
     
  20. meyers

    meyers Member

    Jun 11, 2003
    W. Mass
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Of course I'm biased, but yea, that seemed pretty cut and dry. No idea how Dean missed it (well it's Dean and Arsenal so that explains that), but really no excuse whatsoever for VAR not to get it.
     
  21. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Trust me they are aware. Apart from MLS, have you ever seen a player in a major European league or major tournament get a second caution send-off due to taking off his shirt?

    Also, have you ever seen a player in a major tournament pick up the card that leads to his suspension due to accumulation for taking off his shirt.

    Players know and are aware.

    I hated the rule at the beginning at the beginning, but it has been a success for the most part.

    Also, it has led to the end of seeing guys with beer bellies without a shirt off in Sunday morning amateur games. I genuinely don't remember the last time, I've booked a player for taking his shirt in an amateur match.
     
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  22. SouthernYank

    SouthernYank Member

    Sep 21, 2010
    That is the part that players, coaches, and fans are NOT going to know, and they are going to be screaming when both of these plays happen the exact same way and we penalize the attacker and not the defender. Be prepared for that!
     
  23. Rufusabc

    Rufusabc Member+

    May 27, 2004
    Let’s not have reality get involved with Arsenal and Mike Dean.The Gunners have lost 3 times over the last SEVEN YEARS with him as the referee in the Premier League.
     
  24. meyers

    meyers Member

    Jun 11, 2003
    W. Mass
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Here's some reality. This is from a couple years ago, but it hasn't got significantly better.
    Mike Dean's record of giving penalties. As you can see Arsenal is really an outlier.
    1. Manchester United – 16 penalties in 61 matches, one every 3.81 games.
    2. Chelsea – 12 penalties in 65 matches, one every 5.42 games.
    3. Manchester City – 11 penalties in 63 matches, one every 5.73 games.
    4. Tottenham Hotspur – 10 penalties in 58 matches, one every 5.80 games.
    5. Arsenal – Three penalties in 64 matches, one every 21.33 games.
     
  25. LampLighter

    LampLighter Red Card

    Bugeaters FC
    Apr 13, 2019
    If reality could be quantified as miscellaneous data, then yeah sure. Arsenal has much bigger problems than this.
     

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