Christian Pulisic at AC Milan

Discussion in 'Yanks Abroad' started by Balerion, Jun 30, 2014.

  1. glutton4Bolts

    glutton4Bolts Member+

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    Tammy obviously deserves it more. The CHO contract was kind of ridiculous IMO... but he has been in the Chelsea system for a long time and is obviously well regarded as a future footballer. Not seeing all that much from him yet... but he is still very young. I think Frank has hurt the team at times by giving him minutes in key parts of games when leaving CP on would have been the better strategy... but CHO certainly has talent and I still think he could be an excellent attacking option in the not-too-distant future.
     
  2. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    Um... Ok. I mean Jozy has what, nearly 450-500 career games under his belt at 30 and is still active.

    I don't know where you'd find the stats on average pro-soccer games-missed-due-to-injury-per-game by player, but I'd bet Jozy is below average in # of matches missed due to injury.

    But I'll also admit to simply guessing and being too lazy to do the required research.

    Perhaps some budding sports stats nerd can do it for me...
     
  3. DHC1

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    I don’t know the answer but I’d take the other side of that bet....
     
  4. freisland

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    #31055 freisland, Jan 3, 2020
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    Cool. Now where's the young pup gonna crunch some numbers for us?

    I took a quick look at some seasons for Jozy (I think these are right).
    11/12 missed 1 or 2 club games due to injury, played 52.
    12/13 missed 0 club games due to injury, played 41
    13/14 missed 0 club games due to injury, played 40.
    14/15 missed 2 club games due to muscle injury played 40.
    15/16 was his first bad year (maybe it's MLS?!) played 29, missed 14
     
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  5. DHC1

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    [finger on nose]
     
  6. freisland

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    I don't know how accurate Transfermark's notation of games missed due to injury are, but according to them he only missed 1 club game due to injury before moving to Toronto, fwiw.

    Maybe it's less bulk and more Lake Ontario.
     
  7. TimB4Last

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    Added a visual ...
     
  8. glutton4Bolts

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    Frank has given CHO a ton of opportunities and he hasn't really produced. It shows a ton of confidence in him IMO and I expect it to continue. They paid him a ton of money and he is part of the current franchise dream... i.e. having 3 young English players leading the team (Tammy, Mount and CHO)... four if you include RLC... who I think could be the best of the bunch. CP is going to have to play significantly better than CHO to be first choice.
     
  9. smokarz

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    Hartford, CT
    Not necessarily.

    Willian is not going to be around after this season. Willian wants that LAST big fat contract, and Chelsea is not going to give it.

    So beyond this season, I could see both Pulisic and CHO starting on the wings. Unless they go for Sancho, then Pulisic really need to step up his production to get on the pitch.
     
  10. Suyuntuy

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    In England, a few judicious injuries would have helped Jozy not to have such horrible goals-to-minutes ratio.
     
  11. glutton4Bolts

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    I meant this season.... because Chelsea will most certainly spend the money on another high priced winger before the start of next season.
     
  12. MPNumber9

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    While his regular season record is better than expected, what most people (especially USMNT fans) remember is Jozy has missed more big tournaments than he's been part of due to injuries:

    2011 Gold Cup
    2014 World Cup
    2015 Gold Cup
    2016 Copa America
    2019 MLS Cup Playoffs

    That's pretty exceptional.
     
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  13. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    Sure, but not the question at hand.

    He was unnaturally healthy for club before moving to MLS, it seems (and that was surprising to me).

    So I'm not sure the bulk is the likely culprit of his Toronto injuries. I blame too much roti or Tim bits.
     
  14. Golazo69

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    How do you know?
     
  15. EruditeHobo

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    He doesn't.
     
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  16. MPNumber9

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    But he wasn't unnaturally or even naturally healthy. He routinely got injured in the summer at the end of his club season (I could add him missing the back end of 2014 WCQ in 2013, as well, so you've got like 4 consecutive years of missing big summer tournaments). The only difference with Toronto is he moved to a league that plays in the summer.

    But I agree it's probably not because of his bulk. It's an issue he's had before he "bulked up".
     
  17. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
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    I never understood why people here often post something as if it were fact, like they just got done talking to the player (or manager or club prez).
     
  18. Golazo69

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  19. freisland

    freisland Member+

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    It's a pretty weird pattern, then.

    Goes ~40 games over at least 5 seasons with only 1 or 2 missed club games due to injury, but gets hurt almost every summer? Then injured in MLS.

    Air travel?
     
  20. smokarz

    smokarz Member+

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    Based on historical data.

    When was the last time Chelsea gives a rich multi years contract to a 31 year old (soon to be 32)?
     
  21. Dr.Phil

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    So would someone else significantly raise his wages?
     
  22. smokarz

    smokarz Member+

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    It's an internet soccer forum.

    99% of the stuffs people write on here are non facts. You should already know that.
     
  23. smokarz

    smokarz Member+

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    Who knows, maybe the Chinese or the Arabs?

    Lots of players go to those places for their last BIG payday.

    I just don't think Chelsea is going to hand out a 3 years contract, which I would think Willian would seek to ensure he'll be paid well for the next several years before retirement.
     
  24. EruditeHobo

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    #31075 EruditeHobo, Jan 3, 2020
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    You said he wants a last big payday. If anything the evidence shows that's not the case, if he wanted that he'd be going to China or something, not talking about how he'd love to come back to Chelsea in a rotation role.
     

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