Premier League 2019-20 Assignments and Discussion [Rs]

That seems perfectly reasonable to me, despite what you’re hearing on screen.

The collision was inevitable because of the actions of both players. That collision was always going to happen: goal, save, goal kick or corner kick.

To argue a clear penalty, you have to say the desperation touch of the ball by the attacker means all obligation to avoid contact instantly transfers to the keeper. I don’t think that’s realistic based on how the game is actually played.

The keeper is expected to charge and make himself big to block a goal. If we give a penalty here we are essentially punishing him for the bad touch of the attacker. If it was a good touch, it’s a save or a goal. A bad touch = penalty? When you look at it that way, it’s hard to justify.

 

Taylor seems eager to establish a very high foul threshold this match.

 

Really cool they decided to use VAR for one game but not all the others.

 

There are no OFRs in England. I’m not joking when I say that. No matter what you hear or read elsewhere, the monitors are window dressing. Referees are explicitly instructed not to conduct OFRs unless some extreme and unusual circumstance arises.

 

Announcer has an incredibly valid point for once.

DFK given but attacker was offside. VAR checks to see if foul was inside penalty area. Ignoring the fact that it seems like it was, once VAR determines it’s not a penalty, then the offside cannot be checked. Perversely, if it HAD been deemed a penalty, then the offside gets checked.

This is actually an IFAB bug, not exclusive to England. But not sure how you solve it without subjecting all attacking DFKs to review.

 

In a somewhat infamous match many moons ago, Vieira got sent off for kicking out while lying on the ground at Ruud van Nistelrooy --- and he didn't even make contact. I don't see how Son could have any complaints at the outcome here.

 

I can tell you’re being genuine, but man this is hard to respond to because your assessment is so out of line with what people expect here. Don’t just look at the Chelsea players. Look how easily and readily the Spurs keeper accepts the decision and the card. This is a free kick turned to a penalty for the other team via VAR in a league that barely uses VAR. And no one protests. Anyway...

It’s hard to pick this apart without getting into details in the following paragraphs. But I’d key in on your use of “equally” here. That’s just not true.

Moving isn’t a foul. He’s running toward a ball. He’s not charging at a 50/50 and challenging. He’s just there. There would be no collision if not for the actions of the keeper.

Swings and misses. And that makes this so easy. Though I’d argue even a bad touch here could justify a penalty given the result (though probably not via VAR).

I don’t think so and I don’t think too many other people would think so either.

This is the key part where I think you go really awry. What part of anything there is a “perfectly normal goalkeeper action?” It’s like everything you don’t want your keeper to do all rolled into one. It’s a flying karate kick at head level, off balance, to half volley a ball downfield. He’s out of control. He pays for his poor play first with a swing and miss—in another instance this could have resulted in a goal. The fact that he recklessly charges into Alonso means he also pays with a yellow card and penalty.

Not sure what you’re asking here. He’s out of control and steamrolls an attacker after making a wild attempt to clear the ball. DOGSO really isn’t an issue (unless the ball was clearly staying in play). Slight contact on the ball shouldn’t be an issue (though with VAR, it probably would have been).

Players are responsible for their bodies. There is some leeway when you win the ball and some more leeway for being a keeper (none of it really codified, but let’s admit reality). But there’s nothing excusing what happened here. He took an absurd risk, failed miserably, and paid the price. He probably could have punched or even caught this ball with no contact if he planned appropriately. Instead, he did what he did.

Alonso did absolutely nothing wrong here. I’m not sure how to analyze that in any great detail. He’s just an attacker chasing down a ball.

 

That’s a good question. Any other competition the answer is an easy ‘yes.’ The lack of evidence and some counter factuals in England make it harder to say. But I lean toward ‘yes.’

This is such an obvious penalty that not giving it with a lame excuse about a collision would kill any small credibility that the system had or was establishing. Did anyone on-field question this? In a scenario where all 22 players know it’s a penalty, you’re really stretching the threshold for “clearly wrong” when you say the bar still isn’t met.

 

Well the ball would have went out for a goal kick if no foul was called, so in this situation, yes.

But in a scenario where the ball stays in play, the mandate is to stop play when it’s in a neutral (non-attacking) situation, if possible. It all depends on how long the ball stays in play and how long it takes for the VAR to determine the referee might have made a clear error. The idea is to avoid a scenario where a goal is scored or a penalty awarded at the other end of the field prior to intervention; but it’s not always possible.

My answer is also pursuant to how VAR is supposed to work and how it works elsewhere. Given in England the VAR is actually making the decisions and seems to take way longer doing so than VARs elsewhere do identifying a clear error, it’s close to a default that we are, in reality, talking about the next stoppage in the EPL. But everywhere else, if it’s clear there was a missed PK and the ball is hanging around the middle third, play is stopped.

 

Obvious?!?!? Harald Schumacher says "Nein!"

 

Clubs finding new ways to blame referees for things, it seems like. From Spurs’ official statement, an excerpt:

It is possible everything above is factually accurate. I doubt it, but it’s possible.

Even if it is, this could have been written in about a dozen ways that wouldn’t have thrown Anthony Taylor under the bus. Alas, that was the entire purpose.