Academic Year 19/20 Hot Seat

Discussion in 'Women's College' started by Lord Kril, Aug 7, 2019.

  1. SoccerTrustee

    SoccerTrustee Member

    Feb 5, 2008
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    OK so I took a closer look. Colgate scored 13 goals in 18 games. Can’t win doing that. So can keep the ball but can’t shoot to finish. So she will have to learn how to make the transition from becoming a head coach and to also get her team to score goals, the hardest thing to do. I’m just surprised Colgate couldn’t get a seasoned head coach to lead their program.

    Let’s be honest. The rest of the Patriot League loves this hire. Colgate has traditionally done well. This hire sets them back a few years. And a team like Holy Cross or Loyola can fill that void now while Navy and BU stay in the hunt.

    Saying Feldman plays mediocre competition is a joke. She actually schedules too hard in my opinion, but that helps typically once they get to conference play.
     
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  2. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    #ProRelForUSA
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    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Filled
    Georgia Southern - Josh Moffet (interim in 2019)
    UNLV - Jenny Ruiz-Williams (Oregon State assistant)
    Yale - Sarah Martinez (Yale assistant)
    Southern Utah - Kai Edwards (Cal volunteer assistant)
    LSU - Sian Hudson (former Colorado-Colorado Springs head coach)
    Stephen F. Austin - Tony Minatta (former Iowa State head coach)
    Iowa State - Matt Fannon (former Bowling Green State head coach)
    Loyola Marymount - Jenny Bindon (UCLA assistant)
    Marshall - Michael Swan (UNC Charlotte assistant)
    Robert Morris - Chris Shaw (former UNLV head coach)
    Evansville - Chris Pfau (Evansville assistant)
    Colgate - Lyndse Hokanson (former Georgetown assistant)

    Vacant
    Oregon
    Louisiana Monroe
    Oklahoma
    Temple
    Washington
    Marquette
    Western Michigan (interim)
    ETSU
    Grand Canyon
    St. Mary's College
    Long Island University
    American
    Charleston Southern
    Pacific
    Bowling Green State
     
  3. PowerSoccer

    PowerSoccer Member

    Dec 3, 2019
    You missed the point. They have talent and underachieved. Feldman plays weak competition bc the league is weak. Out of conference they schedule tough games and lose. But BU should win the PL every year. It’s harder to lose there than win.
     
  4. 6peternorth9

    6peternorth9 Member

    Nov 15, 2012
    Club:
    Southampton FC
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  5. SoccerTrustee

    SoccerTrustee Member

    Feb 5, 2008
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    So 6peternorth9 that doesn’t look like Meg Ryan and SoCal that ain’t Todd Schulenberger at OU
     
  6. upprv

    upprv Member

    Aug 4, 2004
    That has to be a joke by Oklahoma right? A little Christmas joke?
     
  7. 6peternorth9

    6peternorth9 Member

    Nov 15, 2012
    Club:
    Southampton FC
    Yes, I was told she was likely to get it, and was obviously wrong. Also heard names like Amato, and at some point Carr, but I didn’t think that was actually possible.
     
  8. iamdelgado

    iamdelgado Member

    Dec 3, 2019
    Who wants to move to Oklahoma? Not the best hire but its not the best job. Oregon and Washington are much better. Typical hire though. Resume looks good on paper but... How was the last youth national team he had?
     
  9. Sockers1

    Sockers1 Member

    Nov 7, 2016
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Or his record as a HC at USF? I’m assuming not good since the OU right up doesn’t mention any of this...
     
  10. iamdelgado

    iamdelgado Member

    Dec 3, 2019
    At SF never had more than 2 conference wins and was fired. Can't imagine he was the best applicant for the position but then again several people turned it down. At least the national teams will be in better hands.
     
  11. Socalsoccercoach

    Dec 1, 2013
    Notice Todd Schulenberger just got another extension? My track record is pretty good if you look through the board...I never said for sure said it was possible!
     
  12. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

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    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don’t know why I do this to myself, but you guys are just plain ridiculous with your comments.

    You act like Colgate is something people should bend over backwards for. Oh yeah, it would attract world-beaters. That’s why they’ve been so successful in so many sports right?

    Let’s continue running down a young, aspiring coach no matter what. Don’t give her a chance. Guilty verdict without due process. Get over yourselves.

    On top of it all, what hire would you like? You’d complain about Jill Ellis too. It’s not like there are 20 elite DI coaches anyway that would be saying, “Let me leave my great job to go to Colgate (or insert any of these mid-majors).”

    Of course, it’s easy to be a keyboard warrior instead of actually coaching. Keep being miserable people. I’m sure you’re real fun at parties.
     
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  13. Eddie K

    Eddie K Member+

    May 5, 2007
    Wait, who's miserable? Not me. and I'm awesome at parties!
    I'm trying to make reasoned comments on a forum about coaching changes. Are you? No. You've decided to comment on the posters rather than have a good take. So, good question. Why do you do that to yourself?
    Please explain with some amount of thought why you think Colgate made a good hire? Otherwise, you are wasting everyone's time.
    The answer to your question about who they could hired is the listing of mid-major coaches on that thread. How about just looking at COY's all around you? Holy Cross had the PL COY- Casey Brown. Make her an offer. How about some of the experienced PL AC's. Lawrence at BU? Make her an offer. Took me 20 seconds to think of those better options. And Jill Ellis is from N. Va so I don't see her at Colgate but she may want to coach in college again. Personally, I think she should go for the George Mason men's job.

    Pointing out that someone could have done better with a hire is what this thread is about. If you're so easily offended, why do you read it?
    Have a great holiday! I have a party to go to.
     
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  14. SoccerTrustee

    SoccerTrustee Member

    Feb 5, 2008
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    You’re right, Ponchat. Let’s give one of the better mid major gigs to a 27-year old kid with no head coaching experience so she can ‘get her chance’. That program was run by someone for close to 3 decades and they won 12 championships and are the most successful team at Colgate. So let’s now give the keys to the car to someone without even a drivers permit. I know they spoke to at least one successful MAAC and America East coach during the phone interview process, so why pass on that experience for what they settled for?

    These hiring processes are a great opportunity to set your program for success for the future. And if you get it wrong you set yourselves back for years. I'm not giving her a guilty verdict before she started - it's that I'm looking for proof that she has record of head coaching experience to deserve this chance and there is none.

    Are you making their next hire? Because some ADs know how to make good hires and some don’t. You’d fit in great there and at LSU for that matter.

    And yes I am a keyboard warrior and I am miserable at parties but only because I fart a lot.
     
  15. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

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    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not offended. Just calling a spade a spade.

    No one here truly knows who was in the mix. Who was offered. What’s on the table. Nothing. Everything you (and others) think is typically unfounded and without merit.

    Your “take,” and all the others that poo-poo on hires like Colgate are just plain dumb. Who cares how old she is? Doesn’t matter. She obviously did enough to get there in her young life. Good on her.

    I, for one, love to see the system changing at times and with certain areas. Young coaches are great to give a run. I’m not one that says head coaches have to have head coaching experience previously. But, I’ve also been there and done that. More than you can say.
     
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  16. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

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    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Who says Colgate passed? Maybe other candidates passed on that job? No one knows and Colgate doesn’t have to say.

    Why do all head coaches need “proof” of a record of head coaching experience? Even that doesn’t mean anything. Head coaches can fail anywhere, even with good head coaching experience elsewhere. Not every program, team, situation is the same. Nor does prior success equal future success.

    Give a person a chance without crapping on it from the beginning.
     
  17. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm curious about why you consider Colgate one of the better mid major gigs. I'm from the East originally, went to college in New England, know Colgate well, and consider it an excellent school, though bitter cold in the winter. It has a great bunch of very intelligent students. On the other hand, its women's soccer team has resided in the 100 to 200 ranking range for years with one good year in 2014. This year it was in the 220 to 230 range. Are there other factors that make it one of the better mid major gigs?
     
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  18. Lord Kril

    Lord Kril Member

    Pittsburgh Riverhounds
    Jul 3, 2018
    It is rumored to be fully funded which is not a given in the patriot league has a very good Greek system is far enough away from a lot of the major metro areas but close enough to get back in a day. Thankfully that dufus who used to post here doesn’t anymore or I’ve blocked them and forgot about it but it checks all the boxes that he/she had mentioned. Good education, party scene, manageable league and money to spread around.
     
  19. Eddie K

    Eddie K Member+

    May 5, 2007
    Ok Ponchat, next time you need a root canal or God forbid, heart surgery, you take the young assistant and I'll take the Dr. with a proven record of success.
    Hell, I don't want to buy a pizza from someone without experience making pizzas!
    But by your logic, lets give the kids a chance at all these jobs.

    And CPThomas - Why do you think a school in the 100-200 ranking range is a bad place to be? Great kids, great academics, good facilities and budgets, reasonable expectations. I made the point the Patriot League is a good destination for lots of reasons that have nothing to do with winning National Titles or having to be in the top 100. Why has Carin Jennings stayed at Navy forever when P5s have come calling? There's a quality of life ingredient that has nothing to do with rankings or mathematics.
     
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  20. ytrs

    ytrs Member+

    Jan 24, 2018
    #571 ytrs, Dec 21, 2019
    Last edited: Dec 21, 2019
    Do you all ever consider the interviews? Maybe these experienced coaches you are so supportive of blew their interview. Maybe this Georgetown assistant knocked it out of the park. Maybe they saw something special in her after meeting with her. Fit also matters. Not just win-loss records at previous schools. All great head coaches were once assistants. Unless you saw the list of applicants and sat in on the interviews, you should probably be a little less critical.
     
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  21. PowerSoccer

    PowerSoccer Member

    Dec 3, 2019
    I know exactly who applied, who was given a phone interview and who was brought to campus. So I’d say I’m qualified to make an assessment. The hire was set in stone from the beginning bc on paper it looked good. Female coach that was at a high academic school that reached the Final 4 twice in four years. Joke run. Reality is that she doesn’t know the area, has no club connections and has never been a HC. They had other options that would have been better but they went for the paper hire. Could it work out? Depends on your expectations. If you’re happy with mediocrity, it will be fine. Colgate is one of the better schools academically in the PL, is full funded, and has a beautiful campus and top flight facility. It’s hard to lose there. Maximizing their potential is a different story.
     
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  22. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #573 cpthomas, Dec 22, 2019
    Last edited: Dec 22, 2019
    I don't think I wrote that it was a "bad place to be." I simply asked a good faith question, which was why you thought it was "one of the better mid major gigs," given the team's rankings over the last bunch of years.

    I think your response was right on: "Great kids, great academics, good facilities and budgets, reasonable expectations. I made the point the Patriot League is a good destination for lots of reasons that have nothing to do with winning National Titles or having to be in the top 100. Why has Carin Jennings stayed at Navy forever when P5s have come calling? There's a quality of life ingredient that has nothing to do with rankings or mathematics."

    I played at Amherst back in the dark ages when we competed with schools like Colgate, and I loved it. It was just as described in your response. And, in that context, maybe Colgate has a different approach to hiring than some might wish. I suspect they do.

    PS - I was a three sport athlete, and all my coaches were terrible by today's standards. But, I wasn't that good either. Nevertheless, it was a major part of my life that I appreciate to this day. I think a lot of the Northeast schools' cultures, even for DI schools, think of soccer today a little bit the same way we thought about it back then. Maybe that's not a bad thing.
     
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  23. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

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    United States
    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Filled
    Georgia Southern - Josh Moffet (interim in 2019)
    UNLV - Jenny Ruiz-Williams (Oregon State assistant)
    Yale - Sarah Martinez (Yale assistant)
    Southern Utah - Kai Edwards (Cal volunteer assistant)
    LSU - Sian Hudson (former Colorado-Colorado Springs head coach)
    Stephen F. Austin - Tony Minatta (former Iowa State head coach)
    Iowa State - Matt Fannon (former Bowling Green State head coach)
    Loyola Marymount - Jenny Bindon (UCLA assistant)
    Marshall - Michael Swan (UNC Charlotte assistant)
    Robert Morris - Chris Shaw (former UNLV head coach)
    Evansville - Chris Pfau (Evansville assistant)
    Colgate - Lyndse Hokanson (former Georgetown assistant)
    Oklahoma - Mark Carr (former women’s USYNT U20 head coach)

    Vacant
    Oregon
    Louisiana Monroe
    Temple
    Washington
    Marquette
    Western Michigan (interim)
    ETSU
    Grand Canyon
    St. Mary's College
    Long Island University
    American
    Charleston Southern
    Pacific
    Bowling Green State

    Louisiana Monroe will announce after January 1.
     
  24. devad

    devad Member

    Nov 18, 2012
    This is a really suspect pool of new head coaches. I would rate only ISU as a good hire based on resumes and reputations.

    There are coaches here that have very thin coaching resumes and the ones with coaching quantity lack any real quality. Are we creating a cycle whereby, giving these young (female in particular) coaches opportunities, but giving it to them before they are ready.

    Hokanson, Ruiz, Hudson, Martinez all have no high level coaching experience.

    Ruiz has 2 years of assistant college coaching experience as far as her bio reads.
    Hokanson was a GK coach for 5 years and a D2 asst for 1.
    Hudson- was a D1 mid major asst for 1 year and a D2 coach for 3.
    Martinez was a Yale asst for 1 year and a Stony Brook asst for 3 years.

    Are these coaches really ready to lead a college soccer program? Are we actually hurting them by "getting them opportunities" before they are ready?

    Evansville has lost at both places he was at before he got Evansville. OU hired someone who was colossally unsuccessful at his last college stop.
     
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