Bundesliga Season 2019-2020

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  1. Jiri Havran

    Jiri Havran Member

    Apr 8, 2016
    Oslo
    Club:
    Shanxi Baorong
    Nat'l Team:
    Czechia
    You have to remember that the individual errors came from the extreme pressure and intensity Leipzig came with after the break, so I wouldn’t blame only Bürki and Brand. It was the whole team to blame, and Favre who should have expected it. They just pressed us to make errors
     
  2. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    No, I blame Burki and Brand. They are responsible for those goals because they could have been avoided had they not panicked and lost their shit. That is the difference between a top team and 4th division. This is the true definition of an individual error.
     
  3. Arlo

    Arlo Member

    Nov 9, 2005
    Dublin, Ireland
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
  4. Jiri Havran

    Jiri Havran Member

    Apr 8, 2016
    Oslo
    Club:
    Shanxi Baorong
    Nat'l Team:
    Czechia
    You sound like you know best
     
  5. HockeytownHeel

    HockeytownHeel Member+

    Dortmund
    United States
    Jul 23, 2018
    I really like Reyna. I have talked about him before but the kid is going to be the next Pulisic or Sancho... I only hope that when the kid comes up to stay along with the striker he is playing with, that they find something about Dortmund that makes them want to be here for a while.

    I get why Americans succeed in Germany more than any other leagues but for some reason they dont seem to appreciate the league like they do the EPL. Frankly I enjoy watching English football but at times it can be boorish and sluggish compared to German soccer.
     
  6. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Nope, I just believe these were glaring examples of a textbook definition of a individual error. Unfortunately, both were direct causes to goals. You cannot blame the rest of the team for Brandt passing the ball to Werner.
     
  7. TimBenneth

    TimBenneth Member

    Borussia Dortmund
    Uruguay
    May 10, 2017
    You can, because u would have to ask why that line was so high to begin with. That was a mistake on Favre's part ... y wasn't that team sitting deeper on a 2 goal lead. Y was Paco not brought on towards the end ...84th min sub bring on Schultz in a tied game ??

    Favre's got his faults.
     
  8. Scheherazade

    Scheherazade Member

    Jun 4, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    #59 Scheherazade, Dec 19, 2019
    Last edited: Dec 19, 2019
    We kept a high line because inviting pressure into our own half when the game is not over at 2-0 is cowardly and dumb.

    Was the individual error made because the line was high? Example: last defender is slow and lets a fast striker run past him to score because he does not suit a high line. When Bürki left an open goal and didn't clear the ball, would Werner not score with his first touch if the defence is deeper? Does it matter where the line is when Brandt made a pass behind the whole backline to Werner in an offside position? Many busparking defenders make the same mistake of accidentally passing to a offside striker inside their own box and conceding a close range goal.
     
  9. TimBenneth

    TimBenneth Member

    Borussia Dortmund
    Uruguay
    May 10, 2017
    Well, only if u consider it cowardly and dumb to shut shop at half time, and hit ur opponent on the break, 2 - 0 up against a direct rival for the title ? Its about being strategic, about being less naive ...

    The back line has everything to do with it ... if the line was deeper u'de have someone on Werner as opposed to allowing the 1v1 he had with the goalie ... it's really not that difficult man ...
     
  10. Scheherazade

    Scheherazade Member

    Jun 4, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    #61 Scheherazade, Dec 19, 2019
    Last edited: Dec 19, 2019
    Letting the league leader play the game in your half is stupid. A high line doesn't means you want to concede, parking the bus is not the only way to a clean sheet.

    When we have possession at home we like to push up and play in the opponent's half and Werner is standing offside, why would the defence drop deeper? To keep him onside? Youre making a lot of halfbaked points to say it's not individual errors.
     
  11. naopon

    naopon Member+

    Jan 2, 2007
    California
    Club:
    Kawasaki Frontale
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No tactic could have accounted for not one, but two of the worst blunders of the season occurring in quick succession. Maybe the rain played a factor, and certainly Nagelsmann made adjustments to reset Leipzig as well.
     
  12. TimBenneth

    TimBenneth Member

    Borussia Dortmund
    Uruguay
    May 10, 2017
    How hard is it to make sense of a high line leaving Werner exposed by himself on that back pass ... ??
    I can see the rain playing a part in the Burki blunder ... but at the end of the day, Dortmund blew a lead twice without any adjustment to the line ... there's no excuse for that. I really struggle understanding some of the decisions
     
  13. Scheherazade

    Scheherazade Member

    Jun 4, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Do you know the offside rule? If a Leipzig player passes to Werner in that same position, the high line doesn't expose us it helps to keep him offside. Problem is the rare error when a Dortmund player passes to an offside FW, the offside rule wont apply. A high line is a common tactic for top teams with defenders who are good enough to not pass to the opponent FW.
     
  14. naopon

    naopon Member+

    Jan 2, 2007
    California
    Club:
    Kawasaki Frontale
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Brandt's mistake did highlight his propensity for inexplicably giving away possession, which is magnified by playing him deeper. But playing a deeper back line means you win possession further inside your own half, and your midfielders will more often be forced to drop deep to break the press...so....
     
  15. TimBenneth

    TimBenneth Member

    Borussia Dortmund
    Uruguay
    May 10, 2017
    I really don't understand your propensity to go off on tangents ... the logic is quite simple ... 2-0 up, play defensive and hit your opponent on the break. Simple. Not complicated. You don't take a lead against the highest scoring team in the bundesliga who top the table, and continue attacking them ... everything else is just irrelevant at this point. BAD TACTICS. Simple ... not complicated. BAD SUBS. Game tied, u r chasing the leaders playing at home, u bring on Paco, not Shultz for ********s sake. Simple ... not complicated.
    If u can't understand the rationale behind this, I really don't know what else to say to you man.
     
  16. Scheherazade

    Scheherazade Member

    Jun 4, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Lol. That's how Paderborn plays if they score 2 goals versus Bayern. We are not Paderborn. Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern, Man City, Liverpool also do not play like that at 2-0 with 45mins left.

    Defending and giving Leipzig space in our half for 45min is dumb, it's not simple at all, it's easy to concede when high calibre players have space near our goal. If you go 2-0 up not because of lucky breaks, attacking and pinning a high calibre opponent back is the best defence.
     
  17. TimBenneth

    TimBenneth Member

    Borussia Dortmund
    Uruguay
    May 10, 2017
    Is it ... ?? Then y did the game end up tied ?
    But hey lets leave it at that ... Its pointless arguing trivialities with random strangers over the internet, I have better things to do with my life.

    Enjoy the game ...
     
  18. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    No one is saying Favre's a genius of a manager but how on Earth are tactics..that aren't even extreme for a club like Dortmund, at fault for Brandt passing the ball directly to Werner. That was a gift served on as platter with a cherry on top. The same for Burki...it was an embarrassing blunder that should make the highlight reel of, "Top Ten Keeper Bloopers of 2019".
     
  19. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    The ball was passed to Werner by our OWN player!!!!! How the fuck is that on Favre?
     
  20. hava

    hava Member+

    Apr 30, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    1 point in the last two games when we should have gotten 6 the way we started and dominated these games.
    Haaland might have scored one of those chances but there have to be other issues that need to be resolved. That young striker cannot change how clueless and disjointed we looked today.
     
  21. TimBenneth

    TimBenneth Member

    Borussia Dortmund
    Uruguay
    May 10, 2017
    If u can't conceptualise how defending a 2-0 lead against a team top of the table is strategic, or how a lower line could possibly negate the open 1v1 situation offered Werner, or even having a defender deal with the high ball leading to the Burki error, then I am sorry man ... but u have bigger problems in life than football.

    Here, maybe this will help pacify the innevitable frustrations of having to constantly argue with nobodies on a Dortmund forum, about things that are quite frankly, ********ing irrelevant ...
     
  22. Scheherazade

    Scheherazade Member

    Jun 4, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    @TimBenneth Those were individual errors. You've gone off on a tangent to blame the high line.

    In any case, the Hoffenheim game shows why we play a high line out of necessity. Not to attack, but because our defence really sucks under pressure. We are not good enough defensively to concede possession and let the other team play inside our half, even a shit team will score. Our attacking players must try to press high, win the ball back, and keep possession outside of our half, we really need to figure how to string 15 to 20 safe passes together when we have the lead and need to make the other team run and tire.

    The further away from goal and upfield we play the fewer corners and freekicks we give away, it's important since we cannot defend a header to save a life. Lmao defending deep means we giveaway 5 corners and concede 3 headers.
     
  23. Oliseh

    Oliseh Member

    Borussia Dortmund
    Croatia
    Nov 29, 2019
    17 games, 8 wins in the league so far.. Hahahah
    I havent seen worse Dortmund for a long time, 650M team..
    Great job Favre, nice
     
  24. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Favre; Raus!!!!! I never thought he was the man for the job. This confirms it.
     

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