Parker got his one start vs. France, but surprisingly, that draw only earned +7 Elo points. That total gets him a tie with fellow one-gamer Darligton Nagbe in 22nd place. Here are the other one game wonders that beat them: Danny Williams and Juan Agudelo, +8, tie for 18th Alex Bono, Joe Corona, and Eric Palmer-Brown, +9, tie for 14th Jonathan Lewis, +10, tie for 11th Everybody in the Top 10, had at least two starts
You included January games. So, when we played Costa Rica in January, does the ELO that is used the ELO for CR? If so, using January games has to call into question the whole validity of the calculation. The ELO of that CR team was more on par with Cuba.
Since January games are included and Bosnia, Paraguay, and Bolivia are all ranked pretty high relative to what we beat in 2019, it is probably someone like Rubio Rubin.
you bastard, you've got me hooked like a fish! Here's an old post of mine: So it would have to be a player who likely missed the three biggest losses: Venezuela, Mexico and Canada. I'd go with John Brooks, Jackson Yueill and Sargent as leading contenders...... Please don't make me do actual research, dlokteff!
You going for best or worst? Jozy only has 3 starts which is kind of amazing. Since one was a loss in a big game he doesn't fare that well. He's tied with Paul Arriola with a -2, tied for 34th out of 60. Since Ream has played in so many Berhalter games he can't avoid the stench. He's a negative 33 over 14 starts. That -33 places him 53rd of 60.
No, Elo won't adjust for strength of a specific roster of players. Sure, that CR team wasn't great but no where near Cuba level, had several MLS starters on it. Anyways, the win there got +10 points, not that big of a deal since Friendlies are down-weighted. When I started doing this I thought it would probably not be of great insight, but maybe it would, so I finished it. I think there's some interesting tidbits in there, but overall it's not that meaningful. I think if we had a bigger sample of matches it might be more telling, but the NT just doesn't play that many games unfortunately. But I thought maybe we can have some fun with it.
Rubin? Funny, I got all the lineups from USSoccer.com, and it had a guy R. Mendez listed. I was like, Alex Mendez? Wait, what? Then I figured out it was Rubin. I know those Mexican surnames confuse me, but you'd think US Soccer would know it's own players. Then again, US Soccer doesn't have a great record with Mexican-Americans lately, so who knows. As for Rubio Yovani Mendez Rubin, he is a plus uno, tied with several other USMNT legends: Ethan Horvath, Ben freaking Sweat, and Jonathan Amon. It's a tie for 27th.
We are certainly doing that. At the least, the more guys played with Gregg the harder it was for them to stand out. Looking at GD and Win/Loss leads to the same conclusion. Between Gregg doing poorly against a cake schedule and Sarachan doing poorly against a very hard schedule, it is hard for anyone to really stand out in these team measures. A guy like Bobby Wood was there for the France game and Paraguay win but was then there for the England drubbing and Italy loss. Sargent was there for the Bolivia win, Peru tie, but then on the field for losses to Jamaica and Canada. Gregg killed many players on these measurements with the stinkers versus Jamaica, Canada, and Venezuela. If CR in January was only +10, what was the biggest positive ELO over the past two years? The Jamaica win in the GC? What was the biggest negative?
Your logic is sound, but you'll have to keep guessing. Yuiell and Brooks round out the bottom of the Top10, +14 & +11, respectively. Remember, Sargent started in the Canada loss, and also one other important loss you missed. And he didn't start any big wins (not that we have many anyway) either. So Josh rates quite poorly by this measure. He's at -35, in 54th place. By, pts/gm, at -4.38 pts/gm it looks even worse. Only 3 players trail him by that measure.
Yep, it's a sad two years. The biggest negatives are the Canada loss, the Gold Cup final, and the drubbing against Venezuela. Our biggest "successes" are the Canada win & Jamaica in the GC. Very impressive.
We are talking starts right? I forget. Lletget never starts, but we tied Uruguay and beat Canada when he did. The other that rarely starts, but started against Uruguay, both Cubas, the Canada win is Guzan. I think he was also in for the England loss, but that was just an away Friendly. He might have also been in for the Peru tie.
I hope it's that basic. I fear it could be something more along the lines of the lessons of '98 versus '02, put on hyperspace, the '98 team lacked chemistry, a good room, and became all about, 'I'm doing for me," and Berhalter played with many of the players who managed to stay in the program after that disaster and were a part of the ultimate "team," the squad from '02 that sang together, were totally unified across the board w/the possible exception of the mini-issue with Freidel and Keller that never truly broke out. Could it be possible that playing a key role on that team (he essentially scored the goal that should have pushed us potentially into the semifinals) alongside Stewart has turned Berhalter into a "chemistry" nut job, who values "the room" above all else including "talent," "skill" and "ability" to say nothing of just basic fairness? It could be. Stewart and Berhalter were humble pieces of that team, the most successful World Cup squad we ever had, and one of it's key ingredients was the seemingly perfect complementary nature of the players and their "team-ness". Could that be why he's so fixated on building "the group" and then fixating only on "the group." Could something as asinine as shunting aside Duane Holmes be about how Holme's remonstrated an inferior teammates crap touch? Okay maybe that's paranoid. But I don't think it's paranoid to believe that the group isn't group simply because of cupcake, or because they get the system. Some of the group is assuredly the group because they fit, because of the chemistry, and some players may be getting shunted aside because they aren't with the robotic moronic program in the same way? Would've been very interesting to see how Pomykal's call up status evolved after that none too subtle jab at some of those XI's, and 23's, alas he got injured, providing potential cover for future punishment for breaking an unwritten rule of the group (a la "you don't talk about fight club"). I don't know, but one thing that I 1000% believe is underrepresented amongst those of us hating on the 23's and XI's (and I am definitely one), as well as those keeping a more rigorously open mind is how critical: 1.) Training sessions are 2.) How fitting in the room w/your teammates and the staff matters. I've always been convinced that some utterly bizarre 23's and XI's, are a byproduct of behind the scene performances in training, which gave a player, or two or three, a slot that few of us would ever countenance. Secondly we don't know what's going on behind the scenes. Whose sick of this bull----. Whose a pain in the --- to play with or coach. Whose a backstabber, bad in the room, might have slept with another player's wife, or in France's case, freaking played out some bizarre honeypot extortion scheme of (Benzema and Valbuena)...We don't know any of those details and they are actually relevant. You can see the US implode in '98 due in no small part to a cascade of events w/some origins in an affair, you can see Ireland kick off their talisman before the '02 WC because Roy Keane thinks Mick McCarthy and the Irish FA is horse ---- and has zero problem saying it. Or France in 2010. One can go on and on. What goes on behind the scenes, both in the locker room, and in training are things we typically just flat out have zero access too, and do have an impact on things, whether we love the coach and the team ('02, '09), or are enraged, and ready to tear the building down upon us Samson style if it will just kill dead, the total incompetent in charge and all the idiots that make their power possible (the entire USSF and Berhalter for me right now).
Ding Ding! Brad Guzan is one of the two players tied for 1st. In his six starts we have gained 26 points. Lletget is 4th. He is +23 in his two, starts. Maybe he should play more, GGG???? In terms of pts/gme, Da Boy is #1 atop the list, 11.5/game!! But there is still the other guy who is tied with Guzan at #1. He got to +26 in only half as many starts.
You're killing us, Smalls! (Great work, by the way--this has been a vast improvement over the last several weeks [months, year???] in this thread)
Matt Olusunde? He helped provide the assist in the 1-1 tie against France, and doesn't have many caps.
yiuve made these comments before. Does this mean that you don’t think criticism of Berhalter system and philosophy is warranted as that’s primarily what this thread has been about? there were early proponents who said that we’d see it pay off and many others who expressed a lot of direct criticism of his system and philosophy. You’ve seen the games and how we’ve looked - how could anyone not expect to see that reflected here?
You infer all of that from this? "You're killing us, Smalls! (Great work, by the way--this has been a vast improvement over the last several weeks [months, year???] in this thread)" I was mostly referring to the dearth of posts of any relation to Berhalter in the the last bunch of pages. Perhaps you haven't been following the lively discussion about the minutiae of whether or not all the coaches should be in Chicago, none of which had a lick to do with Gregg Berhalter. Really, the only time this thread has anything to do with his coaching philosophies is immediately after a game, and for a few days. Otherwise, this thread is filled with other stuff.
Fair enough. I was referring to the months/years and not the Chicago stuff which I ignored. We can blame @Eleven Bravo for starting the Chicago location stuff in this thread a couple of weeks ago!!!!