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  1. Gilbertsson

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    #17326 Gilbertsson, Dec 12, 2019
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    No. The question is irrelevant, because we write about socialist system countries and if you want, we can write about the situation since 1990, after the collapse of socialism.

    Do you like communism? Yes or no?

    Your question is childish. If I adore Lindt chocholate, why should all people like this chocholate? Especially, if someone is allergic to chocholate. And if he gets red bubbles on his face. I can read between the lines: "I like socialism, why don't you like, if its good/great?"

    I don't use any propaganda. I like to be critical and I like to question things, systems, why are they like that? Why do I must respect that leader? I only dislike brainwashing and learned lines from books.

    You could start make bridges, so that you finally connect your wandering fragments.

    Have I ever insulted you? I am only being critical and I question your personal belief? Isn't this a postulate of democracy, liberalism, when we question our beliefs? If I am not allowed to question anything, I must say, that I feel the coldness of one dictatorship.:D
     
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  2. Gilbertsson

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    #17327 Gilbertsson, Dec 12, 2019
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    All politicians make compromises. Why are you so strict? People change their beliefs. 10 years - Democrats, 10 years - Republicans. The same is in Europe. Only they switch more beliefs and parties.
    Politics is a art of possibilities. If you see closed doors somewhere you want to be, why stay there? Move on and find opened doors.

    Democracy also has problems. You can test your democratic system. Invent that you noticed discrimination in your own life which was directed against you. Other users here also can test their own system. Invent anything and I am sure that you won't have successful ending, so that you get some kind of damage for your hurten feelings. You can invent many things, that you had obstacles in religious sense, in the sense of your origins, embrace minority coat once and you will see that you won't get any satisfaction. I tested this. I got nothing. I placed 3,4 discriminatory factors that embrace me. Because I wanted to test my society with my victim status and hurten feelings. I got only one letter, where they think that I was maybe discriminated without any tools or damage so that I return the smile on my face.:)
     
  3. totti fan

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    LOL

    I've met many people who hold views like yours. They're very common. Sometimes they're very young people with little education. Your views are generally ubiquitous and it doesn't take much in the way of knowledge or intellect to play it safe like you do.
     
  4. totti fan

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    99.98%
     
  5. totti fan

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    They have a job to do. It's natural to expect that they do that job.
     
  6. Gilbertsson

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    So, you are making discrimination on educational ground, just because I don't have excellent education? I am not saying that my view is unique. I only say from my own point of view. Can you name the leaders who inherited the great socialism? Do they have ties with socialism?
     
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  7. Pietro Calcio

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    So so right....and you know this ....MANNN !!...:laugh:


    Anyways this is the game. It's to divide and conquer , keep people distracted on different issues while nothing gets done and make sure that pendulum swings the other way after 4 years to the left....ya know....for proper balance and all ... rinse repeat. When the hell are people going to realize this and stop perpetuating a corrupt system bought and paid for by the Khazarian 2%?

    At this point only Anarchy will do. Let this ugly Society burn to the ground and let the people who have always built it back up do their thing...again ;).....while the others can rule over the ashes:)
     
  8. Gilbertsson

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    #17333 Gilbertsson, Dec 12, 2019
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    Wrong. People expect from politicians, that they will give them more money. People have simple demands, nothing else. More money, more independence, less bank loans, less burden, better department, house, better food. One person wants to replace his teeth. He works two jobs, he is divorced with 2 children who go in elementary school. Such person doesn't care about anything....only money. People haven't changed a lot from their times in caves. It's always: home, shelter, cave, food, fire, heating, air condition, agriculture, education, car, better shoes...:rolleyes:

    What is the criteria, so that we all conclude, have they finished their job before the new elections?

    Politicians mostly like chaos, the society without order, which depends more, they don't like unified people for the same cause, They divide people in sense of origins, education, race and place you somewhere with label, so that you create conflicts with others with similar label.

    In country with complete order and prosperity, politicians would became pointless, they would depend from private companies. When hope becomes collapsed, we get politicians and their promises.

    The best society is when politicians of the same political wing, fraction attack each other. This means that people divided politicians. This happened recently in Canada.
     
  9. totti fan

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    Yes I like anarcho-communism but I can't see it ever being something that will come into existence in my lifetime. Do you like Star Trek TOS? That is what I envision an anarcho-communist society to be like.

    I'm not insulting you. But you are using propaganda. The most effective propaganda fools it's adherents into not knowing it is propaganda.
     
  10. totti fan

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    I did not say you dont have an excellent education. Far from it you seem to be well indoctrinated in right-wing mis-information.
    Why don't you like the answer I provided to your question? Can you rephrase it maybe?
     
  11. totti fan

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    They are not simple demands. Nothing is free from society's perspective remember?
     
  12. totti fan

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    How am I strict? Why are you so strict? Democracy is a farce. It's the illusion of choice. You said so yourself. Be consistent.
     
  13. totti fan

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    You completely missed my point with this response. You're not addressing the issue I raised. Maybe read it again in the context of your post that I was responding to.
     
  14. falvo

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    Where are high crimes 'high crimes and misdemeanors'?

    high crimes and misdemeanors - NBC News
     
  15. Pietro Calcio

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    STOP

    Put the remote down and slowly walk away from the TV hands in the air
     
  16. Gilbertsson

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    I don't watch Star Trek, Voyager, or similar editions.
    Yes, you insulted between the lines, by saying that I use propaganda and that my view can be often seen among young people with lower education.

    Prerequisite of all political systems is usually personal poverty, lower financial status, because improvement of financial status gathers people around. Otherwise, who would make promotion for politicians pro bono, without paid contract. People are enchanted with everything that is lucrative, brings money.

    If one country has general development, people mostly have good financial background, nice universities, industry....why should such system embrace communism? If already everything works. Why should Iceland, UK, France, Switzerland, Austria, Germany accept communist ideas and create the cult of personality in eternal leader? Key proof that society doesn't need communism.

    You can ask numerous people from Poland, West Ukraine, Czech, Slovakia, Hungary, Croatia, northern Serbia, northern Romania....was it better while they were in Austro - Hungarian Monarchy or in communist structures of Soviet Union and Yugoslavia?

    Guess which answer might prevail?

    Also, pro-communism videos usually brag with Austrian, Central European architecture.

    If we transfer the entire system of UK, France, Germany, Austria in Moldova, Ukraine, Belarus, Russia...would life quality become better or weaker?

    Conclusion....if someone says something that you don't like, this becomes propaganda? I like Lays chips, you don't, so you create propaganda against Lays?
     
  17. Gilbertsson

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    Some people pretend to be democrats, their lips are full of nice stories about human rights, about all people, races, religious groups, ethnicities, but individually they don't care about them or they dislike them. Majority of political systems promote one ethnicity. Communism punishes all opponents, that's why they have pluralism, as long if they accept all theories. If not, they become removed or displaced in other territories. Today's Kazakhstan was popular destination for displacement, just like Siberia.
     
  18. Gilbertsson

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    #17343 Gilbertsson, Dec 12, 2019
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    Now I am indoctrinated. Can you find at least one sentence where I promote any political system? Do you really think that I hold photos of politicians under my pillow trying to be more like them.

    If you like, we can discuss about the negative things in all existing political systems. I am not so strict like you. In traces, I already wrote, that majority of political systems have negative things, that's why they end soon, because the followers are not happy, so they want to destroy their own system.

    With what am I being indoctrinated? Through comparison, I concluded that communism can't bring the quality of life. No one needs to say this to me, I can figure it alone: public transport, highways, offer of goods: groceries, clothes...

    I think that ex-socialists are deeply indoctrinated with religion and they removed from first rows the regular visitors.

    It seems that communists can be indoctrinated with several fields of life. Today, they are democrats, liberals, conservatives, deeply religious, earlier they were communists, monarchists...not sure what's truthful there.:D This timeline of indoctrination exists.
     
  19. Falc

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    Actually, the United States is not a democracy. None of its elected officials are put in office by the entire population, including the president. It is a republic of which the elected officials are democratically elected by the people it represents. So for those in the House, they are elected by the people in their district. For those in the Senate, by those in the state. The President is elected by the Electoral College of which the votes are state by state that is proportioned by population.
     
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  20. Gilbertsson

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    In European countries, many people don't even go to vote. Percent of people who vote is under 50% in many countries. People who vote are usually motivated, because they are hired in state, county or city institutions. One politician employs his own followers, if he can. If not, they will vote for other candidate.

    https://www.euronews.com/2019/05/25...ntry-by-country-guide-on-what-to-look-out-for

    Democratically, every person should vote.
     
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  21. falvo

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    Time named Greta Thunberg , Person of the Year for 2019?

    “People are suffering and dying from the climate emergency today” Boo-Hoo!

    Poor baby!

    Doom and Gloom wins again!


     
  22. Midfield General

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    Don't hate this girl. Hate her handlers that have made her a puppet and put her up to this. They have robbed her of her childhood and they should be burned at the stake for it.
     
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  23. falvo

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    No I don't hate her and I agree they have made her a Left Wing Puppet.
     
  24. Gilbertsson

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  25. Calcio Pauly

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    Her parents are exploiting her anxiety and low spectrum autism for this "cause". How sad.

    Anyone remember the Gretta of the 90's that kick started Agenda 21, now having morphed into Agenda 2030 with the new face?

    Exact same play and message, except it was that the world was going to freeze and we were going to induce an ice age in then next 10-15 unless new "changes" were implemented.



    The UN is so desperate for a global tax to finally give itself some power over member nations and that is the only reason we're all being "shamed" into this.
     
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