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  1. Gilbertsson

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    In the last decade maybe, I noticed that political parties like to create artificial conflicts, sometimes they create new political parties, who vanish soon. They create the party, so that it pretends to be an oposition. Leftists join in coallitions with rightists (obviously both false in their beliefs, if they can work together).
    And such things always happen in the year of elections or year earlier.:cool:
    At least USA has 2 political parties. In Europe, every state has from 10-150 political parties.:confused: They all promise better life. The salary is the same, or lower and living costs are more expensive (good food, new cars, university tuitions). People buy cheaper meat (growth horomon, GMO cereals, milk that lasts 3 years).
    No one deals with actual concerns of people.:rolleyes:
     
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  2. La Magica

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    Its all a fake show to keep sheep entertained. Why are you still watching?

    Meanwhile

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    Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for Israel.
     
  3. falvo

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    I’m not watching just hearing about it. You are right as it is fake but they still shouldn’t be able to get away with this crap. I can just imagine if the GOP pulled this stuff with Obama what the left wingers would have said and done. It would be real bad.
     
  4. La Magica

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    Start not hearing as well and the spell is broken.
     
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  5. Gilbertsson

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    People expect too much from politicians, which is only occupation and personal ambition. Nothing else.
     
  6. falvo

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    You are right......

    Back to dreaming about George Best......:)


    Maybe so but isn't that all everyone has to look forward to? We can always be like Italy who have had 70 years of bad governemnt , 4 weeks off in August, 3 weeks off at Xmas and 2 weeks off at Easter! :thumbsup:
     
  7. Gilbertsson

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    There are no unselfish people, who would provide the benefits to its own country. Politicians and the truth...they always say, what is desirable to hear. No one has ever said: "It's terrible now and we won't achieve anything". It's all about inclusion of its own friends, family members in the Cabinet, providing great relations with private and influential companies, providing highly paid arrangements, but they will name this as advising activity. When people make protests, they never respect them, because they know that the opposite party hired them. In some countries, politicians go from door to door, when they need votes.

    European countries create a lot of political parties. Just type this: "List of political parties (European country name) and you will see that many politicians changed several parties which don't have anything to each other.

    People in Italy fell on populism. That's why we see some strange figures and parties.
    That's why they come and go.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_Italy

    Italy has regional parties...:sleep:

    The similar is in other countries.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_Croatia

    I rather like to see party models, like in USA, UK, Australia, Canada....they have 3-5 options.

    You can see in your own life, what has changed between the elections:
    - salary growth
    - home appliances prices
    - food, clothes, technology prices

    Even if they reduce the salary, other things become more expensive, so they take it anyway.

    If your salary remained the same, or if it was reduced, than you can't expect much from elections, and all those nice terms: monetary reforms, GDP, industry, export, organic food, think green...:D

    All party programs look the same, copy paste with smaller ideological differences: religion, social - democracy, liberal ideas, conservative lifestyle.

    Three marriages with deeply conservative values with switched political parties without ideological close ties.:thumbsup:
     
  8. La Magica

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    Boil this up and serve it to totti fan. He'll be telling us how healthy it is to eat.

    Made in China, sold in Ireland "eco friendly" :D
     
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  9. Gilbertsson

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    Nothing good, if I can save this product and eat in the next 3 years.:cool:
     
  10. Falc

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    1204868090875564032 is not a valid tweet id
     
  11. falvo

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    Of course MSNBC, CNN and the rest of the Deep Staters will never admit to the misconduct.
     
  12. Falc

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  13. Pietro Calcio

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    They think that this strategy of preventing criticism of them , along with all their other tricks , will help them to achieve their end game and it won't. It's exactly why over the last three thousand years they always find themselves back in the same position . They constantly mess with the norms of society then want to play the victim after creating many of said societies troubles . Their tricks are always short-sighted and ill-planned and only serves to bring more attention to them in a negative way . And what they keep forgetting is they only represent a small minority of the world population . They don't have the numbers for what they're trying to do. Piss of the masses ....again.... and their control over the platforms dies.
     
  14. Deleted User x

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    They are stronger now than at any point in their history. It's never been a numbers game. Remember it wasn't long ago that the small country of England ruled half the planet.

    I believe humanity is headed for serious trouble.
     
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  15. Pietro Calcio

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    context
     
  16. totti fan

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    If a poor Republican voter who hates socialism with every fibre of his being gets free healthcare, free college education, a good paying federal job as a result of a change of leadership towards socialism then its "positive for opponents". If another politician comes along later and threatens to take away those things he now supports is this voter suddenly a socialist even though he doesn't consider himself one?

    "Socialism is good for socialists but not good for opponents" is a nonsense reductionist argument. Is the same true for capitalists in capitalist societies? What about a poor suffering socialist who supports socialism? According to your logic such a person cannot exist.

    Material living conditions dictate whether or not a system is good or not and in practise whether or not people "support" that system. The stereotypical rightwing version of a socialist system you describe, could not be good for anyone, in that system the people in the video don't exist and it certainly doesn't survive 70 years.
     
  17. totti fan

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    If you are going to make nonsensical assertions provide primary sources to back them up, otherwise I'll reject them. You will continue to get the climate change denying, racist, anti-Semitic peanut gallery on your side. But perhaps that's all you want?

    Where did I say you like Nazis? Do you like Nazis? Yes or no? It's a simple question. I'm asking it because you equivocate all the time and then expect for me to ignore what you're doing and move on to different topics.

    So according to you socialism was good for socialists but all socialist leaders were incompetent? They accidentally crafted a society that most Russians surveyed would prefer to modern day Russia. Clearly the people in the vid must have been paid actors.

    1. Percentage of victory in US elections. 99.8%. Republicans = Democrats
    2. Answered
    3. What confiscations took place in 80s Russia?
    4. What is the destiny of America's opponents?
    5. Australia
    6. Gorbachev til he wasn't
    7. Read the links I sent you
    8. ???
     
  18. Calcio Pauly

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    You're asking them to end they plot early. If they do that, the show stops.

    If no one watches, it stops anyway.

    They don't want it to stop.

    This almost guarantees Trump a 2nd term, so he can keep riling them up until they find their next polished candidate to swing that pendulum left again.

    Totti fan the commie bastard getting spanked by Gilberto is more entertaining to me ;)
     
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  19. totti fan

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    Do you like Nazis? Yes or no. I'm not asking because it's relevant, I'm asking because i'm wondering if you can answer the simplest of questions.
     
  20. totti fan

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    Clearly all paid actors who suffered under incompetent leadership.
     
  21. totti fan

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    Suitable for both sides? So the US has a fake democracy?
     
  22. Calcio Pauly

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    lol

    That in and of itself could be used to negate almost every assertion you've ever made here.

    Like your uncle's and some professors love of the Soviets proved that all Poles loved Soviet rule.

    Do you even know what the term actually means?

    Does your costume come with a big red nose?
     
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  23. totti fan

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    You will only get agreement from these idiots if you criticise socialism and repeat rightwing propaganda. You provide no evidence but make lots of assertions. These assertions are worthless to me without evidence. Primary sources.
     
  24. Gilbertsson

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    #17324 Gilbertsson, Dec 12, 2019
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    He won't get anything for free. In socialism, you don't get anything for free. You only think, that you get something for free. OK, they give in socialism: free education, free healthcare, but they reduce your salary. And you get 250 USD, just like in Belarus.


    I would rather have monthly salary 3000 USD and I would find my own private dentist, medical doctor and educational system according to my choice.
    You could elaborate this more: free things in socialism. Are they really free?
    I don't include there highly appreciated socialists, who get free houses, boarding schools in London, Zurich or Paris. They make maybe 10-20 percent in society.

    Free healthcare means lower salary, expensive food, groceries, gas, olive oil, technology products, clothes.

    To achieve good salary in socialism, you must be there since the beginning, with every fibre involved. Nothing less, also you can't question communist dogmatic theories.

    You are mixing Republican from USA with Soviet Union.
    Again, if someone has great salary anywhere in the world, he doesn't need socialism or communism. Life is better in Panama, than in Cuba, or Venezuela. Do residents of Panama need socialism? If they all earn money already.

    Capitalist in capitalist society also doesn't need socialism.

    Even followers of socialism got hurt from socialism, because they read something, said something, sang something, made some contacts. Opponent of socialism won't be accepted in socialist party, if he says that he dislikes: Lenin, Stalin and others. There is no way to achieve that. You constantly need to prove your loyalty. Historic and scientific fact. Many people lost lives because they were on the other side.

    You think that all socialists, who are sincere or false, have the same society conditions, great salary, better university? Not really. That's why socialism collapsed. Why should Sergey go at party meetings, if he works in a warehouse and Igor Maxim became the supervisor with the same level of education, just ike Sergey.

    If you could be a state company CEO in socialism. And if you hire sincere followers of socialism from this thread, Would they all be equally paid? With the same quality of gifted departments? What if one user here is your closer friend and if has lower education than me. Would you place him on better position? That's how socialism works: heavy nepostism, family state companies, family state universities, where the same members of family work. This was before and still is in ex-socialist countries. Public procurement, all possible concourses are arranged.

    If capitalism doesn't give me anything, why should I respect capitalism?
    If socialism doesn't give me anything, why should I visit party meetings and hope for crums, while leading staff members have everything?
    Why should I be present in any system, group of interest, if I don't get anything?

    Now you started to play with idealism, altruism, while your fingers still have caviar grease,:cool: Nice attempt though.:thumbsup:

    Would you be my friend, if you pay our restaurant meeting every day, week, weekend? I eat what I like and when bill arrives, Totti Fan pills out his money. Nothing bad here, because I am always punctual, when we make the meeting time. After the restaurant, we could go in a lounge bar, I would like to drink two glasses of Cuba Libre. Of course, you are paying.:D

    That's why people change their political party, option, because they squeezed all options in one party.

    Why should I be a socialist, if I work annoying physical job?
    I know one old woman, she worked her entire career in socialist system. Her pension is now around 650 USD. She really liked socialism, she got free department from her company before 40-50 years. Is 650 USD enough for one month? Others have similar pensions, because state isn't perspective, post-socialist status. More or less, problems in all ex-socialist countries.

    "Equal" relations in communism:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_Communists_of_Croatia

    "Another reason why the Party lost support in Croatia was because it was accused of being dominated by the Serb minority. The Serb influence was indeed disproportionate at times. In 1989, 30% of the members of the Croatian League of Communists were Serbs, while their overall percentage in the republic was less than 13%."

    Socialist party had around 300-400,000 members in Croatia, compared with 4 millions of residents. You think that others who were not members had better salaries than these ones, who were the members.:D

    Why are you trying to create some right-wing conspiracies against socialism?
     
  25. Gilbertsson

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    #17325 Gilbertsson, Dec 12, 2019
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    I have names, surnames, streets, cities, states....:cool:

    You invent and forge that right-wing nationalists came after the collapse of socialism. Who are those right-wing capitalists? At least one biography. Even religious groups collaborated with socialist governments from time to time. And they accepted ex-socialists in churches with more advantages than those who went in church for centuries.
     

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