MLS Flavors of the week: 2019 Edition

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by Sombrerito, Dec 20, 2018.

  1. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    I've commented on a few players who carried too much bulk compared to their peers. Soccer is not grid iron.

    In the case of Agudelo, muscling up has helped him stay fit for selection, something which was a problem early in his career. But he also no longer displays that graceful, nimble-footed shot-making when he is around goal.

    There's a trade off when adding bulk.
     
  2. #1 Feilhaber and Adu

    Aug 1, 2007

    And USSF reports to this shit.
     
  3. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Juan Agudelo has NEVER scored more than 10 goals in a season. Ever.

    People understand that, right? He's been more promise than performance at every one of his stops. There are flashes, folks get excited, and then long stretches of nothing. Well...………….he's old enough now that promise and potential don't mean anything. He's now a 27 year old "in is prime" player that in a good year will score you 8-9 goals. Or what 18 year old Jesus Ferreira did last season for Dallas. Another Colombian-American. :)

    Sometimes prospects don't develop into international caliber players. Happens in Argentina and France just like it'll happen to us. Sometimes its just hard to figure out. I personally think he had great momentum, and then signed with the wrong club in the wrong league when he had an opportunity to go t Europe. That happens quite a bit to Brazilians and ARgentines too. Another in that category? Brek Shea. Both Juan and Brek signed for Stoke. Great for their bank accounts. Really bad for their careers.

    In terms of the USMNT two of his three goals were in 2010/2011. Ancient history. In terms of the USMNT he's a non-factor.
     
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  4. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    No one claimed Agudelo was a 20-goal-a-season scorer.

    My posts covered his physical attributes, changes in those attributes, changes in position, his early struggles, and his career outlook.

    But for the career spanning MLS and the Eredivisie, up until 2 years ago, he had 19 goals and 8 assists in 42 games of starts at striker. The past two seasons he has 1 goal and 1 assist in 616 minutes of starts at the position.

    In his early career, he showed both promise and productivity, enough for Stoke to attempt to buy him, and enough for Utrecht to offer a contract which he declined.
     
  5. Dr.Phil

    Dr.Phil Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Aguedo has admitted to not having that striker mentality
     
  6. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For the last decade I have wondered if certain American players put on too much muscle for their frames and this hurts their careers due to having to carry the extra weight, or increased risk of injuries. Unfortunately for American soccer in our culture kids look up to star athletes who are a bit more muscular than say Xavi and Iniesta. Just a random group of players I have wondered this about: Jozy, Josh Gatt (going back to his Molde days), Agudelo
     
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  7. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
    USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    This is the move I was hoping to see.
     
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  8. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
  9. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
    USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's all individual. LeBron James had played an ungodly amount of ball and is far more muscular than his peers. Jozy is no bigger than rugby players, I think he just had bad luck/bad guidance with his hamstring.
     
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  10. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    I wonder if MLS's corporate reffing will retard our game here in the US. They seem to be very sensitive to any sort of criticism other than 'yessir, how high?'

    One thing I really llked about the European game was the capacity for criticism of the system.

    From SBI
    Major League Soccer announced fines to Toronto FC striker Jozy Altidore, San Jose head coach Matias Almeyda, and Vancouver Whitecaps head coach Marc Dos Santos on Tuesday.

    Altidore was hit with an undisclosed fine for comments made after the MLS Cup final which were critical of the match officiating.

    Dos Santos was fined for comments made about the league in an interview published on November 4th. The comments were deemed to be a violation of the league’s public criticism policy.

    Almeyda was fined for critical comments about match officiating following San Jose’s September 21st match against Atlanta United.
     
  11. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Frankly, Toronto is very good landing spot for Agudelo, its a team that will allow him to play to his strengths. Itll be his last chance dance, I hope he is up for it.
     
  12. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    So far, every team has been Agudelo's last chance - except for his next chance.
     
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  13. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    this week's flavor is "Don't just do something, stand there" as Garber fines another team manager for comments critical of the league. This is not good considering the subject of league schedule is something which needs debate very badly.
    https://sbisoccer.com/2019/12/don-garber-stresses-need-to-figure-out-solution-for-long-mls-offseason
    This from SBI soccer
    Garber also very briefly touched on Dos Santos’ November remarks to the Athletic. The Vancouver Whitecaps head coach was extremely critical of Major League Soccer’s extended offseason, saying it was “Mickey Mouse” and “amateur” for the league to have such a long spell of inactivity.

    MLS fined Dos Santos for those statements earlier this week.

    “That was an expensive comment that he made,” said Garber on the subject.
     
  14. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Excepting a two-year Eredivisie stint, the only other time Altidore played over 2000 minutes was the one year in which he had lost a bunch of weight.

    Agudelo's muscling up seems to have helped with the injuries , but cost him his nimbleness around on the area.

    Imo, players who aren't natural ectomorphs need to be careful with the weightlifting. Too many American players are too damned jacked.

    On the other hand, C. Ronaldo has added mass over the years. But he changed his style and position, moving from slick-dribbling winger to power winger to forward. Jacked, but with a purpose.
     
  15. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
    USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't think Jozy has lost or gained any major weight since Sunderland.

    He played about 2k in 16/17. The broken ankle was from a kicking wasn't it?
    https://www.transfermarkt.us/jozy-altidore/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/39378
     
  16. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
    USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  17. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

    May 30, 2010
    oakland
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Emo to ATL made permanent.
     
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  18. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
    USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is good, we should see 30 starts in MLS and see what he's got to offer.
     
  19. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Emo is far from being good enough for the NT. Let’s just see if he’s good enough for MLS.
     
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  20. Patrick167

    Patrick167 Member+

    Dortmund
    United States
    May 4, 2017
    The salary structure is mature enough at this point that is it fair to say that nobody over 22, in MLS, should be considered for the USMNT who isn't a DP or TAM player?
     
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  21. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    Interesting. Who on Berhalter's list is over 22, in MLS and isn't a DP or TAM?
     
  22. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    hyndman has already been here a half season on loan with 1G 3A. he looked fine against my dynamo this season, though that may not be saying much. this was just converting the loan to a purchase.

    i think he would be better than some people getting called to the US right now, but that only tells you how silly GB is being with his selections. reality being he goes so far down the draft board that we could all name several other options we think better, and be right. so being better than people on the team doesn't say a ton. it just says how wide we are missing.
     
  23. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That would exclude any collegiate just about. Aaron Long would have fit into that category up until very recently. He's a legit national team starter. Maybe Miles Robinson proves to be as well.

    The same thing would have applied to Morris, and still may. I don't think they have to use exceptions on homegrowns. So if you re-upped in MLS, even on a big contract, you'd be excluded.

    Guys who didn't get a shot in Europe because their clubs don't integrate, like Lletget, who may be a starter for us now, would be out. That could apply to a LDLT in the future.

    And it would preclude finding diamonds in the rough, like a Hollingshead potentially. Sapong looked good when he was actually tried. That's what January camps are for. If all you can call in are a pool of MLS players, it's inevitable some wouldn't fit your requirements. Then if they keep performing they should stay. If not they should be dropped.

    The TAM/DP rules impede domestics from rising to the fore as much so your criteria would see a lot of talent that would have futures w/ the NT or abroad fall thru the cracks. One of the most important jobs of the US manager is to not see that occur when you don't have a pool that's all starring at Madrid and Bayern.
     
  24. Patrick167

    Patrick167 Member+

    Dortmund
    United States
    May 4, 2017
    A quick stab at it:

    Trapp
    Roldan
    Lovitz
    Turner
    Lima
    Lletget
    Johnson
    Baird
    Robinson
    Yueill

    But also thinking about people wanting Gressel to switch. Atlanta doesn't think he is worth a TAM contract, doesn't that say something?
     
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