We can't and shouldn't expect national team coaches to have systems for dispensing callups that combine short-, medium- and long-term goals and needs for the program, taking into account a range of factors including YNT program needs and opportunities, recruiting, and positional depth charts (and possible changes to them over time) as viewed by the MNT staff, among other things. It's long past time for an objective system of mandatory call-ups based on how many times a player makes a first-team matchday roster but does not play. The only thing I haven't figured out is exactly how many times should trigger the callup and I'd love to hear viewpoints on this.
That's a real can of worms. You'd also have to account for how good the team and league is and that's ever changing. Also every coach has their own tactics and some players fit better than others. Realistically the current way is best we just have to hold our breath that we aren't seeing all of the plan and by WC qualifying it will start clicking. If not then a coaching change is warranted not just the hope that a system of auto callups based on an algorithm will solve things.
Hmm, I change my mind then. Let's see if we can instead expect national team coaches to have systems for dispensing callups that combine short-, medium- and long-term goals and needs for the program, taking into account a range of factors including YNT program needs and opportunities, recruiting, and positional depth charts (and possible changes to them over time) as viewed by the MNT staff, among other things. My post wasn't serious.
My point wasn’t that just by making the match day 18 should get Reyna a call up. I took him making the match day as the start of a progression that will see Reyna eventually accumulating a couple of appearances. Which maybe shouldn’t be assumed. If he has production at this level I don’t think it’s far fetched that he gets a full national team call up. I mean this is becoming a NT conversation, but there’s not a ton of competition on the wing. If Pulisic is our 10, our current wing options are Arriola and Boyd.
I think it shouldn’t be assumed. Who was the last player that team brought through? Pulisic. I’m sure there have been plenty of talented younger academy players since. Getting consistent playing time at 16/17 for such a high level team is very unlikely for anyone. Pulisic was lucky that they had nothing to play for in the league the season he broke through and that they lacked attacking depth. Both of those aren’t true of the situation for Reyna right now.
I might be a little too excited after the recent Total Soccer Show episode about the Bundesliga with Manuel Veth. Veth said he had spoken with some people on the Dortmund technical staff and they thought Gio ‘was one of the best 02 players in the world’ and something about how he was in the 1st teams plans for this season.
I'm not going too get to excited for Reyna until he passes the Julian Green line. It's not enough to make a couple of appearances, he needs to look like he will progress and become a regular part of the team. Sargent may the closest recent Buli example.
I haven't heard Wicky will be the U20 coach for the whole cycle (though it wouldn't be a shock), but I have heard he will run the next U20 camp in January. https://t.co/V2ht0ktad2— scuffed (@scuffedpod) December 12, 2019
Would love to see Aidan Morris (Indiana) and Kris Shakes(Penn State) invited back to camp in January. I watched them at a camp friendly vs. Costa Rica a while back - in Orlando. They both grew up playing ball with my son in South Florida.
Lock CB starter Owen Otasowie made his pro debut in the Europa League today for Wolverhampton. It will be interesting to see who lines up next to him.
He also plays D-mid but this team is weak at CB and he is a 6’3 tank. Some would describe him as an absolute unit. Dmid is safe and secure with Johnny Cardoso, Taylor Booth, and Danny Leyva. CB is a complete toss of. And @butters59 I disagree with him being on the olympic team. He does not beat out Miles Robinson, CCV, or Chris Richards at CB and especially does not beat out John Brooks who likely gets an overage spot there. He is a u20 player unless Wolves continuously play him with their first team. He is a good player but if you haven’t watched his all touches or u23 game film is he very raw (as expected for his age).
seriously why can we not apply the djordje standard to guys playing first team in europe especially at positions of dire need like dm and winger. if he keeps making match day rosters it seems dumb not to at least offer him a call. who cares about youth team progressions.
I’m not anointing anyone for appearing in a game for Wolverhampton Wanderers. How many of you have even watched him play five minutes in the last year? That’s a serious question. I don’t mean it as a slight towards Otasowie. I cannot say I’m sure about his place in the U-20 player look. IMO, he’s an option, and we’ll see how his game develops compared to other players. We’ll also see if he even wants to play for the USA or unfortunately if he can stay healthy.
Pre injury he was on U-20 team. Seemingly progressing really well, as good or better as anyone from that team not named Dest or Pomykal. Should be given as much chance to get on the Olympic team as Soto, Ledezma, Richards, Uly and more than the rest.
Was he ever on the U20 team? I don't think so. He was in U18 camps with Uly and Konrad and a bunch of other 2001s, but I can't remember him ever being in a U20 camp in the last cycle. Not sure I understand the Wolverhampton disrespect here. They finished 7th in the Premier League last season and they're 6th right now, and they've played a lot of lovely soccer under Espirito Santo. I even liked Otasowie as a CB for the U18s in that US camp in early 2018, but given what's happened in the past month I don't know how we can view him as anything less than a lock starter at CB for the U20s right now if healthy and interested. He's started three matches at CB for the U23s since the beginning of November and I've seen his involvements in two of those games. While he has some of the rawness you'd expect from a gangly 18-year-old, he has incredible range because he's both quick and fast. He gets to everything. He's strong in duels because of his length and his comfort with the ball at his feet, and he's dominant in the air. I don't see him pinging a lot of cross-field passes, but otherwise his passing is well above average for a young American centerback. He also can and will carry the ball forward into space when it's yielded to him, and (probably because he came up as a midfielder) has a few tricks up his sleeve on the ball. He's tricky. Keeps the opponent guessing and his first touch is usually positive. He looks like an elite talent to me. I'd write his name in pen in the starting XI for U20 qualifying if I were Wicky.
You don't think that he belongs to U-23? How many U-23 players we have that would be close to Wolverhampton bench? And it seems that they like him enough to play him in PL as well.
They are trying to keep his long term loyalty. With clubs like PSG and Liverpool tracking him they want to try to keep him and this is how you do it. CCV, Miles Robinson, Chris Richards, and even EPB are better right now. Otasowie has the highest ceiling out of them all besides Richards but when you are 4 years younger it makes a difference. If you have taken the time to watch Otasowie over the last two years you would know his game is incredibly raw which comes with being 18. He may be a 5th or 6th option at CB for the Olympic team and as a 2001 that is fantastic. Unless he gets consistent minutes with his first team he shouldn't be a forced call up for the 23's. For the 20's, he is a locked in starter. For a team who will only be able to have 3 CB's max on a 18 man roster and one of them will surely be John Brooks then Otasowie just doesn't make it. His future is bright but people need to calm their tits...he's 18.
seriously tho, no one has really answered why certain guys get the djordje treatment while for others it gets treated as absurd