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  1. Gilbertsson

    Gilbertsson Member+

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    Totti Fan just writes something from his own experience, which is acceptable for me. But he can't spread his experience on wider society. Before several weeks, or maybe months, he said that Scandinavian countries have the ideal socialist system installed in that society.

    Recently, he praised the fact where Soviet Union defeated Finland in WWII. Russia took the region called Karelia and people who wanted the culture of Finland fled and left their homes. So, obviously, they don't have the same systems.

    He repeats often that socialism provided equal conditions for all people. Completely not true, even among those who supported socialism. Two socialists with the same level of education don't have the same number of real estates, they don't work the same jobs. One could become a manager, other one carried rubber boots and cleaned warehouses, zones in factories or he carried things around with heavy lifting. Every political system is supported if this system provides materialistic benefits. No one can quote or name any inspirational thinker from any political system. It's all about real estates, nicely paid jobs, easy university entrance, nice cars, vacation houses, living houses, yachts, good clothes, food...or should I say: Caviar. I don't think on Western Digital Hard Disc Caviar.:rolleyes:

    There is nothing altruistic, inspiring, only personal advantages, achievement of interests. And I agree with Totti Fan that at least 20% of socialist supporters had a great time in socialism.

    The reason why socialism collapsed were economical differences among people.
    Also, it's a scientific fact that ex-socialist countries still have ex-socialist leaders or people who had advantages in that system. Nothing to do with some right-wing, capitalist politicians. Only ex-socialists, in Soviet Union and Yugoslavia who gave up from socialism and they talk about transition....which lasts for 30 years.:rolleyes: Also with accented visits to the churches, holiday celebrations....:sleep:

    Ordinary comparison provides the conclusion where is better to live: Belarus, Russia, Moldova, France, Germany, England, Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Finland, Belgium, Bosnia - Herzegovina, North Macedonia....

    Totti Fan could be more objective and observe the entire population in one state, or system.
     
  2. Gilbertsson

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    I knew that he needs to have some personal ties with socialism. Uncle from Poland, so his mother is also from Poland.

    We don't have to pay anyone. Any person can find 3,4 people who could say excellent things about all existing political systems since 20th century.

    Totti Fan never says anything about the eternal leaders in socialist countries or false multi-party system after the collapse of socialist system, where 1-2 political parties create other meaningless parties and create so called democracy. It's enough to see the biographies of all politicians since 1990 and we could see that they or their parents were important members of socialist parties.

    Totti Fan could find one real capitalist, without any ties with socialism, so that we elaborate his biography, works and accomplishments. At least he could find 2,3 from ex-Soviet Union and ex-Yugoslavia countries who don't have anything with socialism. Brand new personalities. Or he can't find anyone, which is more evident. There is a huge forgery, when some people say that some evil right wing nationalists came on the scene in 1989., 1990. Who came?

    Today, if you say something about your political party, you become isolated, imagine how things were in a strict one-party system where thousands of people tried to be acceptable for the mighty leader.:D

    The existence of gulags, concentration camps, forced labour...not normal to praise something like that.
     
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  3. ArtemioD

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    #17228 ArtemioD, Dec 6, 2019
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    Meanwhile in the real world an Italian family I know just had to close their pizza shop after decades in west Philly because they were robbed 5 times in 13 days at gun point. This didn't fit the narrative and was not deemed newsworthy. The city of brotherly love. As long as you're a brother you have nothing to worry about.

    Forgot to add that this is 15 years later after my brother and his old construction boss who partnered on a beer store were robbed 3 times at gun point had to close shop and the PPD thought they were lying for an insurance scam. In Philadelphia it is OK to rob pilfer and murder white people today with Soros puppet Larry Krasner the new DA.
     
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  4. Il Ciuccio

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    I’m sure someone will say “where are the black owned businesses in south Philly” I been and stayed in south philly for a week a few years back for the nfl draft it was pretty cool.
     
  5. Calcio Pauly

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    That would be true, if it were true, but its not. His experience is google from his mothers basement. You'll recognize this one day.

    Case in point above. Just because one (he) can quote reddit threads, which he does often, doesn't make them true.

    I think Pete pointed out that he may not have been on his psyche meds at that point.

    Yes, true, insanity is...well...insane. He thought Montolivo was world class too. It's sad that someone can fall for nonsense like this.

    You have faith that the very average of men can correct their deficiencies, but one day that will be shattered
     
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  6. falvo

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  7. Falc

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  8. phat

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    It's called revisionist history. If his reading comprehension was above 2nd grade level he would understand the Chinese system and their history.
     
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  9. Calcio Pauly

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    He's a disgruntled troll with asperger's syndrome most likely, might even be bipolar as Pete suggested. He's got that 2-3 week troll euphoria (manic) cycle followed by a 2-3 week (depression) hiatus down pat over the years. Definitely psychologically related IMHumbleO.

    Honestly anyone who's spouted the amount of pure trash that he has over the years has mental illness problems. The extreme dietary measures to try and control it; 40 bananas a day o_O to loving Castro, Guevarra and the Soviets/China. The pretend soccer analysis, only to be outed outright cutting and pasting from sites like zonalmarking.com. From loving Trump to loving Hilary. He even goes to troll the left in other forums on this site. Magica once outed him saying that Motta was PSG's most praised player, two days later he goes into the PSG forum to ask them if they valued Motta over Verratti. Jesus is a commie. Bernie is a hero. Only America is evil, not his nanny state Australia. Have you ever been there? They're robots, addicted to loving rules imposed on them by their corrupt politicians. Why do you think they're awesome at alcoholism?

    I wanted to try and help him many years back, but he's even beyond my expertise :) It's best his handlers only let him out once in a while. Being in his mothers basement and on the internet and soccer forums discussing his strategies for utopia on the planet only subjects him to ridicule that is largely harmless. Imagine he gets out and starts stalking people in the mall, or other public places with his ideas? It could get ugly.
     
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  10. Falc

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    This clear message of racism was sold as art for a mere $120,000.

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  11. falvo

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    Sometimes, a picture really is worth a thousand words.

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  12. Calcio Pauly

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    How much money would he have made with 40 bananas a day?
     
  13. Calcio Pauly

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    First Lady Dissed by Wimpy Snowflakes
    By Lloyd Marcus|November 30th, 2019
    [​IMG]Lloyd Marcus

    First Lady Melania Trump was booed by students when she spoke at an opioid awareness summit in Baltimore. Snowflake adults said the students were justified because Melania’s husband hurt their feelings by saying bad things about their city.

    Folks, this infuriated me. I am so sick of snowflake adults who create dumb-down, brain-dead and wimpy snowflake youths. Taught to believe they are entitled, snowflakes are unable to submit to authority or deal with the normal pressures of life; living in their parent’s basement playing video games at age 30.

    Liberal Democrats have controlled Baltimore for the past 50 years, transforming it into a hellhole of poverty, fatherless households, failing schools, economic decline and record breaking black on black homicides.

    As a child, I lived in the Baltimore projects. I don’t remember any neighborhood so horribly out-of-control that no one dared to venture after dark. And yet, that is the ridiculous situation in Baltimore today.

    Visiting Baltimore for my dad’s funeral, it was shocking to see endless blocks of empty rundown row-houses, rats and trash. What the heck happened to my beloved hometown once renowned as “Charm City”?

    In the 1980s, Baltimore’s first black mayor, Kurt Schmoke ordered that my song “Hello Baltimore” be placed into the city’s time capsule. To illustrate Charm City’s shocking transformation, I made a music video of my song using footage of recent Baltimore riots.

    Back in the day, the neighborhood around Pimlico Race Track where the Preakness Race is held was safe and upscale. Today, the Pimlico neighborhood has dramatically declined, infested with drugs and crime.

    In the 1990s, I saw the beginning of the end for Baltimore because of stupid liberal Democrat policies. Park Avenue was the place to enjoy dinner at an upscale restaurant. Smelly, dirty vagrants began sleeping on the sidewalks and aggressively pestering patrons outside of the beautiful restaurants. Due to the city’s commitment to political correctness, restaurant owners could do nothing to save their businesses. Finally, every restaurant closed or moved away.

    Living in the projects as a child, I loved exploring Park Avenue downtown. “The lights are much brighter there. You can forget all your troubles, forgot all your cares. Downtown, things’ll be great when you’re downtown. Everything’s waiting for you.” Park Avenue has become another depressed section of the city unsafe after dark.

    Incredibly, liberal Democrats who run Baltimore still have not learned to be friendly to businesses. During the recent Baltimore riots the mayor ordered the police to stand down and allow thugs to destroy businesses to express their frustrations regarding racial injustice. Unbelievable.

    Late Democrat congressman Elijah Cummings received billions in federal grants to clean up his rat and crime infested district. The money was wasted or stolen. By the way, idiot black relatives of mine who live in Baltimore still praise Cummings for his wonderful service to the black community. Sorry, I had to get that off my chest.

    Cummings’ wife also emits a putrid odor of corruption; using the suffering of her fellow blacks to get rich.

    White liberals in fake news media claim to be advocates for black empowerment. The liberal Congressional Black Caucus and NAACP also lie about their commitment to black empowerment. These black and white liberals viciously attack anyone who dares to address problems which plague blacks in cities controlled by Democrats.

    Thank God president Trump cares enough to address the problems of blacks who are suffering in Democrat urban plantations. Therefore, I don’t give a rat’s derriere about the hurt feelings of spoiled-brat snowflake youths, upset because Trump told the truth about their cesspool city run by corrupt Democrats. Adults who defended the students for booing our first lady are a part of our nation’s morally bankrupt and wimpy culture. They should be ashamed of themselves.

    This hypersensitivity to “hurt feelings” turns my stomach. For crying out loud, adults need to start instructing wimpy youths to grow a spine.

    World War II Americans are turning over in their graves in disgust of this new generation of snowflake Americans. My black dad passed away at age 90. When my brother was a teen, he quit his summer job because his boss hurt his feelings by yelling at him.

    Dad could hardly believe his ears. Annoyed at my brother, Dad said, “He hurt your feelings? Boy, you had better go back and get your job!” Dad was teaching my brother to be a man!

    As a black civil rights pioneer in the Merchant Marines and Baltimore City Fire Department, Dad endured all kinds of humiliation and hurt feelings. But Dad knew a man has to do what a man has to do. He had a wife and five kids to feed. His hurt feelings were irrelevant.

    To restore our youths, we need to have zero tolerance for all this hypersensitivity, wimpy-ness and entitlement that liberals have instilled in our youths.

    A snowflake reading this article will probably say, “Lloyd you sound angry. I feel triggered. Your toxic masculinity makes me feel unsafe. You should be silenced and jailed.”

    Can you imagine what a nightmare it would be if a snowflake ever became president?

    Thank God president Trump is a real man.

    Lloyd Marcus The Unhyphenated American
    http://LloydMarcus.com



    Discuss....
     
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  14. Gilbertsson

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    Maybe he is a troll, maybe not, maybe an ordinary fan of socialism and such ideas. But it's unusual how can someone adore something like that movement.

    Two sincere or false socialist followers can't have the same conditions in the party. One is always above, paid better, more influential. On the other hand, someone must wear rubber boots, yellow gloves, orange vest and work for the other follower. While this one, in the nice suit bought in Austria, or Germany, with BMW says to this one in rubber boots: "Yes, you need to work hard, because socialism doesn't accept lazy people without assignments that can only improve further stages of socialism".:D

    "Yes, comrade" - said the hard working man, while he cleans his rubber boots during the short break, while his boss goes to the restaurant, because his state company pays this to him. The man in rubber boots took his baloney sandwich, with two tomatoes, because he doesn't have time for 1-2h of break in the lunch time. Suddenly, he started to think: "I have the same education, just like my boss, we both have high school, only he has one certificate which was made in our political school, why should I listen him? We are not equal, he doesn't wear rubber boots."

    People really expect too much from political systems. That's why people constantly switch sides and opinions.

    Real and fake socialists are today mostly real and false right-wing people or at least centre-right people, they go to the church. Mostly close to the altar, while priests accept them, because they are no longer lost sheeps. If a church comrade asks help from his ex-socialist brother in faith, he will refuse to help him, because he is a sincere church visitor for decades and ex-socialist will say: "Hm, he goes to the church, I won't help him". If ex-socialist meets some rare real socialist, he won't also help to him, because he is a socialist.:D

    One ex-socialist party, now liberal centre-left, will have a Christmas party at St. Lucy day (13th December).:rolleyes: Joy to the world.

    People think that one person will get a better salary if he works in a company where owners, CEO's have the same political value, just like he has. The money is the only sincere political party membership.:) After the alleged collapse of socialism, many political parties were created, so all people became the sincere or false followers of several parties.:D Parties that are younger than we are, are respected as the life value.:whistling: One party can have sincere or false leftists and sincere or false rightists....just because it's the first one as the people's choice in percents.:cool:
     
  15. Calcio Pauly

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    Spend some more time reading him, maybe another week or two, then you will have formulated more concrete opinions on him. Good luck.
     
  16. ArtemioD

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    This story below I read yesterday in my local paper:

    https://www.delcotimes.com/news/del...cle_b6060670-1823-11ea-aed0-f3ddfe630058.html

    It is about a convict accomplice to a murder getting his sentence commuted by Gov Wolf. This murder ironically didn't happen in Delaware County but the old neighborhood right down the street from my grandparents house. Only reason this became news again is my ex DA Katayoun Copeland who just lost her position in the last election to a Soros backed lackey filed a detainer on David Sheppard for an old retail theft charge to keep him in jail. Why this became news again as Copeland is an advocate for victims rights and Lt Gov Fetterman is a known socialist advocate for criminals. Anyway the murder of the owner of Love's Pharmacy was one of the 1st incidents I remember though the old neighborhood started to turn long before that. You can watch the local newscast from back then here below. The pharmacist they interview is the guy who drove me and two friends to East Rutherford to watch Italy play Bulgaria about a year and half later.

     
  17. falvo

    falvo Member+

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    Remembering Pearl Harbor!

     
  18. Gilbertsson

    Gilbertsson Member+

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    So far I noticed, that he likes to use small fragments instead of wider picture: reasons, timeline, the exact period when historic moments occurred, the reasons when people switch their opinions, worldview, ideology, the creation of a new system and general adaptation on certain periods. When 3-4 generations of the same family start to adore 3-4 different states, flags, national anthems, languages, money currencies, ideologies (from left to right, with democracy), from atheism to God recognition, or the opposite...something is wrong here, either with followers, or with the systems, or with both. Totti Fan could bring the negative sides of socialism, he knows them for sure.
     
  19. Calcio Pauly

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    You are kind and give him a lot of credit ;)
     
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  20. totti fan

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    I'm open-minded about history and different economic systems. I understand that I've been heavily indoctrinated throughout my life to only see things from one perspective. My schooling and interactions throughout my life have mostly acted to bias me against socialism. I'm trained in and have worked extensively in the fields of economics and banking (fields that are extremely pro-capitalism). If you want to have a conversation I'm open but you need to focus respond to the issue raised and not scatter your points until we're ready to move on.
     
  21. totti fan

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    My father is Italian. His sister married a Pole. My uncle died when I was very young we were close but I never spoke a word of politics to him in his life. The Polish person I spoke to that said they preferred life before the breakup of the USSR was someone else.

    Your logical reasoning is faulty, I could pick apart most of what you have said but it takes more effort to debunk nonsense than to originate it.
     
  22. totti fan

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  23. totti fan

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    Ethics of the anti-China propaganda crowd on display:

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  24. totti fan

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  25. totti fan

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