NSR: A gun on Every Corner: Discuss the NRA, Gun Ownership and All Those Non-Mass Shootings..

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Do we need more strict gun laws?

  1. Repeal the second baby!

    54 vote(s)
    51.4%
  2. We need better mental healthcare..

    38 vote(s)
    36.2%
  3. A discussion on the topic would be interesting..

    29 vote(s)
    27.6%
  4. That's Liberul talk for them to take may gunz!

    7 vote(s)
    6.7%
  5. You can pry my gun from my cold dead hands..

    15 vote(s)
    14.3%
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  1. bostonsoccermdl

    bostonsoccermdl Moderator
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    Apr 3, 2002
    Denver, CO
    At some point, you can’t fix stupid. Refusing to drop a gun at a school, with the current events going that we have is just asking for it.
     
  2. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

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    Sounds more like suicide by cop vs. being stupid.
     
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  3. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
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    Thieves rob jewelry in Miami, then hijack UPS truck and its driver. Wild car chase in Miami and surroundings. Truck gets stuck in afternoon traffic. Thieves, driver, bypasser shot dead in exchange with cops.

    https://miami.cbslocal.com/2019/12/05/coral-gables-police-investigating-armed-robbery-miracle-mile/

    “The armed suspects engaged law enforcement, opened fire, exchanged fire between law enforcement and the suspects,” explained George Piro, Special Agent in Charge of the Miami Field Office. “Unfortunately, the suspects are now deceased, but also two additional innocent civilians deceased.”

    The dead include the kidnapped UPS driver, who has been identified by friends as Frank Ordonez, and a innocent bystander killed in their car.

    No word from law enforcement whether shots fired from the kidnappers’ weapons killed the UPS driver and the bystander.
     
  4. raza_rebel

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    Dec 11, 2000
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    Four confirmed dead after Pensacola Naval Air Station shooting
    Escambia County Sheriff’s Office confirmed an active shooter is dead after opening fire on multiple people at the Naval Air Station in Pensacola. At a press conference, officials confirmed that three victims have died and several are wounded, including two deputies.

    https://twitter.com/i/events/1202941575589842944?s=13

    I remember being in a lockdown situation when the Navy Yard shooting occurred. If they're not safe in a military installation, what does that say about us?
     
  5. ElNaranja

    ElNaranja Member+

    Houston Dynamo
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    Jul 16, 2017
    It says NRA money is worth more than any amount, or type, of life.

    So say our Russian overlords.
     
  6. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

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    We need more guns in military bases!

    oh wait...
     
  7. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

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    Sep 6, 2001
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    "a" innocent bystander?!?!?!

    Good god, Miami CBS Local, do you have no editors?

    I will not even comment further about "a" bystander killed in "their" car (possible the bystander was gender neutral).
     
  8. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
    taos,nm
    I'm with you on the "a," but since the victims have not yet been identified, the "their" seems not only appropriate, but inevitable?
     
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  9. xtomx

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    #3184 xtomx, Dec 6, 2019
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    Yes, I agree.
    Some of the victims have been identified, but not the innocent bystander. Without knowing the gender of the innocent bystander, using the plural has become standard.

    However, read the entire sentence:
    "The dead include the kidnapped UPS driver, who has been identified by friends as Frank Ordonez, and a innocent bystander killed in their car."

    The comma after Ordonez merely indicates the identity of the UPS driver and not necessarily two independent clauses. The sentence, without the identifier could read:

    "The dead include the kidnapped UPS driver and a innocent bystander killed in their car."

    This could indicate that the two dead people (the kidnapped UPS driver and "a" innocent bystander) were killed in the car where they both were located and, possibly, both owned, identified as "their car."

    Of course, we know the intent of Miami CBS Local [undoubtedly, as Stephen Colbert would say, "Miami's News Leader"].

    However, I choose not to give Miami CBS Local any benefit of the doubt.
    If the station cannot get "a" and "an" correct, they deserve no credit for the use of commas. :thumbsup:
     
  10. dapip

    dapip Member+

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  11. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
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    Perhaps, it should be "use grammar properly."

    Noun and verb agreement.

    There is quite a bit of debate on this subject among the grammar "nazi" set.

    If it was "everybody" then it would clearly be "uses." That is clear.

    Some see the word "every" as the important term, with "every man and woman" being the same as "everybody," and, thus, singular.

    Others see it, essentially, as "Every man" and Every woman," as two separate groups of people, and, thus, plural.

    I come down in the second group, but I am a bit agnostic on the subject.
     
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  12. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    New Jersey
    I hate the fact that I enjoyed this post.
     
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  13. ElNaranja

    ElNaranja Member+

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    Jul 16, 2017
    I dont.
     
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  14. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    New Jersey
    Well...you’re obviously a nerd. I sat with the cool kids in school. Honest. I swear.
     
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  15. dapip

    dapip Member+

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    Something about a Muslim ban:




    I mean, off course is more complex than that but nevertheless ironic.
     
  16. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

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    I hate the fact that I enjoyed writing it!
     
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  17. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    We need a new word.

    Shis?
     
  18. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

    Mar 9, 2000
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    Was there an exchange with the cops or is that part of a cover up? In any case, the police action/ reaction to this is simply mind boggling. I watched this video and can't comprehend it. These guys basically used civilians cars and drivers as shields and unloaded 200 bullets in a busy street. F**** CRAZY!
     
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  19. ElNaranja

    ElNaranja Member+

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    Jul 16, 2017
    I love how, if one didnt watch the video, they wouldn't be able to determine if you're talking about the cops or robbers using civilians as shields and unloading 200 rounds. The ambiguity drives the point home.
     
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  20. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

    Mar 9, 2000
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    If you think there was ambiguity, I am happy to clarify, I was talking about the cops. The way they handle this hostage situation was nothing short of reckless and stupid.
     
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  21. Moishe

    Moishe Moderator
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    Mar 6, 2005
    Here there and everywhere.
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    I'd agree with this. I read a report in which local law enforcement acknowledged that the LEO's accounted for at least 200 rounds fired. That is an absurd amount of shots fired for two assailants. It wreaks of of what I have always consistently posted which is that police officers simply are not trained to handle these situations.

    Regarding the tactical side of things, even if and I am assuming this is the case that the robbers fired first, there was no real urgency to return fire. The UPS van being stuck in traffic was not going anywhere. Lock down the area and wait it out. Allow an opportunity for a dialog for the safety of the UPS driver and everyone in the immediate area. Allow a SWAT team to get on scene since they are the ones that actually do have the training and go from there

    Once an investigation is completed I think we'll find that at the least the UPS driver was killed by a bullet/s of a LEO's weapon.
     
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  22. dapip

    dapip Member+

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    If I were the family of the driver or the stand-byer, I’d sue all the police departments involved. IRRC there were at least four PDs involved as the chase went through several municipalities and two counties.
     
  23. ElNaranja

    ElNaranja Member+

    Houston Dynamo
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    Jul 16, 2017
    Good luck with that. Courts are pretty blue lives matter and itd be a rough go. A recent court said bfd to a guys home being blown to bits by cops during a standoff, just for a recent example.
     
  24. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

    Mar 9, 2000
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    Actually, they have accused the PD's of basically murdering the driver. This poor dude was on his first day on the job. You can bet they will sue and they will have a strong case!
     
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  25. jmartin1966

    jmartin1966 Member+

    Jun 13, 2004
    Chicago
    Read an article were the police said it's unclear who shot the UPS driver and there needs to be an investigation that could take months or even a year.

    Infuriating. The full video (i.e. one that doesn't fade to black or cut the shooting out) shows the police lighting him up.
     
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