FIFA International Match Calendar: Proposed Changes & General Discussion

Discussion in 'FIFA and Tournaments' started by Nico Limmat, Oct 29, 2019.

  1. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    Of course some Liverpool fans are so obsessed with winning the league for the first time since 1990 they would trade a UEFA Champions League title for it in a heartbeat. But yes, the (current) CWC timing is not ideal for Liverpool also because of the fixture list madness in English football over the holidays.
     
  2. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    FIFA will ensure its expanded CWC is a success. Even if that means threatening (behind closed doors of course) CAF that it will strip the FIFA calendar treatment for the second AFCON clashing with the CWC. The European clubs would love that.

    And really, it's long overdue that CAF falls in line with a sensible (quadrennial) frequency. A biennial nations cup is one too many. They can play the AFCON in either the first or second year after the World Cup. The same goes for CONCACAF.
     
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  3. vancity eagle

    vancity eagle Member+

    Apr 6, 2006
    thats really the only thing FIFA can do to win out over the AFCON is to "change the rules" I think there would be a lot of pushback against that, and FIFA would really have to consider if it was worth it. They could technically still have a "successful CWC" (whatever the hell that means, revenues I guess) without the participation of Mane, Salah, and a host of other AFrican stars.

    Do you really think the absence of a dozen or so African players would make the CWC a failure ? Is that worth the huge uproar which would result in FIFA stripping the FIFA calender treatment of the AFCON ? I dont think so.

    A bienniel nations cup is one too many according to who ? A lot changes in 2 years in the football world. The fans certainly aren't complaining. I mean it could be replaced by a Nations League, but that would be a little anticlimactic IMO.

    If another tourneament could be implemented like an expanded Confederations cup, or a tournament with the best African, Asian, Concacaf teams (similar to the old Afro/Asia cup) then I would be for it, but why should the tournament be cut just because some people feel every 2 years is too much ?

    Frankly I think what is "too many" is another club competition (CWC) right after a bigger and more important one (champions league) has just finished.

    THis really has to be one of FIFA's stupidest decisions, along with expanding the WC to 48 teams. I actually think this one is even worse.
     
  4. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #29 Paul Calixte, Nov 5, 2019
    Last edited: Nov 5, 2019
    There's a big difference, though: when the AFCON was in January, the struggle was between a competition on the FIFA calendar and league competitions that are not, so national feds could compel players to show up knowing that FIFA had their back.

    This is different: we're looking at a struggle between two competitions on the FIFA calendar, and FIFA are likely going to prioritize their own tournament. Clubs will likely be willing to find middle ground with players like Mané in the interest of their long-term relationship, but FIFA aren't going to back any African FA demanding a player miss a FIFA tournament for a CAF one.

    Btw, this conflict puts an even greater emphasis on how long the Samoura regency in the CAF will last...
     
  5. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Well, the CWC isn’t played during the holidays. Its played when all top UEFA lesgues have a full slate of games scheduled. IOW, its a nussance each year not just in years when English clubs partake in it (EPL clubs just tend to whine more)
     
  6. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    Huge uproar by who? CAF? The very confederation that right now depends on FIFA to run its day-to-day affairs? Four out of six confederations deem a quadrennial nations cup to be the right frequency starting next year (fingers crossed on CONMEBOL). Only CONCACAF shares CAF's thirst for a biennial competition. But of course they (C'CAF) no longer have the Confederations Cup carrot to dangle, an important selling point in a top-heavy confederation. C'CAF also does not have as many players in the big five European league as CAF.

    FIFA is trying to establish a significant revenue channel to lessen its dependence on the World Cup. CAF sensibilities will not stand in the way of it. This isn't your typical "club vs. country" debate. In this scenario FIFA is siding with the clubs. I understand that CAF has to replace lost revenue so they should create a Nations League using existing FIFA dates on the calendar.
     
  7. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    The problem is more pronounced for English clubs because of the full slate of fixtures on or around Dec 26, Dec 28 and Jan 1.

    So Liverpool is looking at:

    Dec 18 - CWC Semis
    Dec 21 - CWC Final
    Dec 26 - Leicester (A)
    Dec 29 - Wolverhampton (H)
    Jan 2 - Sheffield (H)

    It's that brutal three-game stretch starting on boxing day that other leagues don't have. Anyway, it won't be an issue - at least in the context of the CWC - after next year.
     
  8. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I thought OFC will get a full spot in 48 team World Cups, so 2022 is the only remaining time they get 0.5.
     
  9. Every Four Years

    May 16, 2015
    Miramar, Florida
    Nat'l Team:
    India
    I assumed he was talking about the CWC, in which OFC has a playoff spot against I forget who.
     
  10. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Most (all?) UEFA leagues have to postpone the same # of domestic matches in order to play in the CWC (typically 1 league match and 1 cup match). So the fixture/rescheduling issue is similar in other leagues.

    I recall Madrid having to play Barcelona on Dec 23rd after travelling back from the CWC recently, for instance.
     
  11. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    That may be but other major leagues don't commercially exploit the time between Christmas and new year.

    Bundesliga - on break from Dec 22 until Jan 17
    La Liga - on break from Dec 22 until Jan 5
    Serie A - on break from Dec 22 until Jan 5
    Ligue 1 - on break from Dec 21 until Jan 11

    The Premier League plays three rounds from Dec 26 until Jan 2.
     
  12. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Why England has 2 Domestic Cups is beyond me.
     
  13. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    OFC opens against the host, but I haven't seen that called a half spot. The OFC champion is at the same tournament as everyone else. If New Zealand loses the interconfederational playoff, they don't go to the World Cup in an earlier round.
     
  14. Every Four Years

    May 16, 2015
    Miramar, Florida
    Nat'l Team:
    India
    They are right now. I think they have a playoff spot in the new expanded tournament.
     
  15. dinamo_zagreb

    dinamo_zagreb Member+

    Jun 27, 2010
    San Jose, CA / Zagreb, Croatia
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    Yes. I saw entry list, it is stated that OFC has 0.5 spots. They technically had 0.5 in this 7-team tournament as they always played hosts in so called preliminary round. Whilst that looks OK, this expanded tournament with each team having guaranteed two matches, Oceanic team once again has to play hosts to reach main round.
     
  16. r0adrunner

    r0adrunner Member+

    Jun 4, 2011
    London, UK
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    I don't know if it's been mentioned before here, but ECA favours reducing the number of windows for int'l games each season so, for example, instead of there being four breaks like now (excluding the one in June which occurs after most seasons have finished) there would be four, each containing 3 or 4 games instead of two.

    I am against that idea because I think it disrupts the rhythm of int'ls.
     
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  17. dinamo_zagreb

    dinamo_zagreb Member+

    Jun 27, 2010
    San Jose, CA / Zagreb, Croatia
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    They will eventually destroy international football... we will see, in 10 years time, what we used to have in basketball. One summer will be reserved for qualification, next summer for finals.
     
  18. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They do that and player burnout would be at an all-time high.
     
  19. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    France cancelling their League Cup will hopefully soon be replicated in England. No other major FA in Europe has two cup competitions starting next year.

    I'm not sure a reduction of national team windows to four (with three matches) is necessarily a bad thing. It may raise the quality of the games as the teams spend more time together.
     
  20. r0adrunner

    r0adrunner Member+

    Jun 4, 2011
    London, UK
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    But longer intervals between breaks will interrupt the rhythm of int'l competitions, both from sporting and commercial viewpoints.
     
  21. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    At https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/id...ys-in-september-october-and-november.2035433/ I proposed to have longer breaks in two of September, October, and November rather than a break every month. For players like Messi whose national team and club are far apart, it would reduce his time on planes, and it might reduce the amount of players who retire from their national team while still playing for a club. This year MLS had a week off between the regular season and playoffs when there were FIFA matchdays in October. The UEFA Champions League has one midweek without games when there aren't FIFA matchdays and two midweeks without games when there are FIFA matchdays. If there were two breaks that were each a week longer, there would need to be games on consecutive midweeks, or the time from the first to last matchday would be longer. To conclude, there are positives and negatives about making a change.
     
  22. Steve Page

    Steve Page Member

    Oct 30, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    No European country other than England (& by extension Wales) has the depth of professional clubs that England has. 92 clubs in the Football League plus some of those below that are fully professional. Germany comes closest. This is far more important than European or Global club competition. A 2nd cup competition is part of this. Protecting the viability of those clubs is of greater value than enabling the greed of the biggest clubs.
     
  23. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
  24. italiancbr

    italiancbr Member

    Apr 15, 2007
    #49 italiancbr, Nov 23, 2019
    Last edited: Nov 23, 2019
    Remember when FIFA wanted to push through the expanded CWC and Nations League simultaneously? The new CWC is consolidating the intl calendar and acting as a catalyst for a global Nations League. The Confederations Cup isn't going anywhere, it will just be replaced down the line when every confederation implements the Nation League system. Africa and Asia already have plans to start the process and Europe and Concacaf had a successful rollout. While I don't see the necessity of the new CWC for various reasons (, I'm grateful that This is the way I see a four-year cycle going:

    Yr 1: World Cup
    Yr 2: Continental Championships
    Yr 3: Club World Cup
    Yr 4: Global Nations League

    That would mean no biennial African Nations Cup, Gold Cup, or random Copa America. I envision a future combined Concacaf/Conmebol 24-team championship and OFC might merge with AFC to stay relevant. That would essentially make four 24-team continental championships in YR 2 which could be split during the year with regional competitions still taking place at certain points during the four year cycle. YR 3 would start Nations League qualifying which would culminate in the finals of every league in YR 4. Nations League finalists could also automatically qualify for the expanded 48-team World Cup which would reduce the need for WC qualifiers.
     
  25. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland

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