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  1. falvo

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    #17076 falvo, Nov 14, 2019
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    I've watched a lot of news since last night when I came home from work and I'm still trying to figure out what crime Trump committed....

    Schiff is a joke!



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  2. La Magica

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    Wait for the retarded coach playing the race card over a supposed squeezed hand. After he almost wrecked himself :ROFLMAO:
     
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  3. Pietro Calcio

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    Round and round ...what comes around goes around....smh

    Savages gonna Savage :D
     
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  4. falvo

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  5. totti fan

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    https://www.commondreams.org/news/2...ms-lithium-deal?amp&__twitter_impression=true

    The Sunday military coup in Bolivia has put in place a government which appears likely to reverse a decision by just-resigned President Evo Morales to cancel an agreement with a German company for developing lithium deposits in the Latin American country for batteries like those in electric cars.

    "Bolivia's lithium belongs to the Bolivian people," tweeted Washington Monthlycontributor David Atkins. "Not to multinational corporate cabals."
     
  6. La Magica

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    The impeachment hearing isn't going well. Let's have a false flag school shooting to distract them.

    Rinse and repeat.
     
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  7. Deleted User x

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    Interesting article.

    This looks like a CIA operation. Let's see what the new government does.
     
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  8. falvo

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    Now the DEMS are coaching their next witness, who was fired 2 months before the call of Trump to Ukraine to cry. What a freaking joke!
     
  9. totti fan

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    Interviews start at 4.00
     
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  12. totti fan

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    Well Finland did ally with the axis powers during WWII. Thankfully the Soviets defeated the fascist Finnish scum eventually by 1944.
     
  13. Gilbertsson

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    #17088 Gilbertsson, Nov 19, 2019
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    Everything is simple and evident in this video.
    People who were on the side of socialism since 40's, they will all say: "It was great before". Why? Because they gained confiscated departments, houses, they got easier jobs even though they didn't had some strong education. Also, they were young. Many of them were the part of working class: butchers, shoemakers, locksmiths, grocery shop workers, mostly with elementary and high school. In socialism they often became managers. All characters in your video are of working class origin.

    And it wasn't hard to finish universities in socialist periods. There were a lot of political schools. There was even one rule, where party member can't fail the exam, because he is too good and very intelligent. Many people who lived in socialism remained on typewriters, without learning anything in their working places about computers.

    I wonder who made that company / companies privatisation? Transition of entrepreneurship from 1989. to 1990? Mostly people who were CEO staff members in 70's, 80's. They sold machines, real estates and opened their own companies. Some of new companies survived, majority of them collapsed, because there was no major knowledge about leading the companies, creating capable workers.

    Majority of companies today in ex-socialist countries are based on long working hours, low salaries, they order a lot of products, people exhaust themselves in warehouses and those CEO members pretend that they have knowledge about the business. There are no free weekends, holidays, like in Austria, Germany, France...

    You can't choose, will you be on the side of socialism, democracy, capitalism, fascism? Some of those movements "strike" and embrace your ancestor and you end there without any activity. You can't choose your path.

    For those people, who ended on the side which was against socialism, they had terrible lifestyle. If they had 2 houses, the second one would be taken and you could get someone on your second, or third floor as permanent residents who don't pay anything: rent, leasing - nothing.:whistling:

    People who were on the side of leading systems of early 40's, they also had good time and they will say, just like their descendants: "It was better before". Only their period lasted 4-5 years and socialists had 6 decades of pleasure. After in 90's, some new or old structures gained influence.

    It's not some major secret, that we still observe people from old systems.
    https://www.euractiv.com/section/el...munist-past-at-velvet-revolution-anniversary/

    How can someone become a billionaire in just 30 years? If you take handy cam and if you visit any Czech city, village, many old people will say: "It was better before". But who took their contemporary dreams? Some new people who replaced socialists? Or the same people?

    Every system brings negativity and positivity for people who are against the system and for the people are for the system.

    Why we still see the differences between West and East Germany?
    Do we see the "rotten" capitalism in Belarus, Armenia, Georgia, Ukraine, Moldova, Albania, Kosovo, North Macedonia or in Central Asia (ex-Soviet countries)? What's currently there?
    What's currently in Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Azerbaijan, Czech Republic, Slovakia.

    If you observe current politicians in ex-socialist countries, you will notice that majority of them have roots in socialism, or their ancestors.

    So, who created terrible life conditions in post-socialist countries? Some new people, or the old system people?

    What's in ex-Yugoslav countries? New people, or people with strong ties in past systems?:) Observe their biographies. For example, take Bosnia and Herzegovina as starters. Read their biographies.:thumbsup: People who don't know, they will think that some nationalists rule there and that Yugoslav wars had some new nationalistic leaders who wanted power. The truth is that they have roots in socialism.

    Before 90's no one really cared about serious labour, people generally avoided to work, the same values still remained. New companies are created like mushrooms after the rain, they collapse often.

    Your video describes Nadezhda, Zhana and Anatoly. I agree that they had better lives, because they were on that political system. In this video I also see capitalist vehicles: Audi, Peugeot, I don't see Lada, Trabant anymore. If you ask the owners of those cars, they will say: "Today is much better". The leaders of socialism didn't worried much about the people in 90's.
     
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  14. falvo

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    What is the impeachment circus talking about today?
     
  15. Gilbertsson

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    #17090 Gilbertsson, Nov 19, 2019
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    What can we say about the leader who left his own sincere followers and left Bolivia while he was embracing Mexican flag as his new legacy? 14 years he promoted that he is the chosen one, prophet for his Bolivians, who will rise once again in the glory of his movement.
    Obviously he doesn't care about his sincere followers, who are left now on mercy of their opponents.

    OK, lithium belongs to the Bolivian people. How can they export this lithium and earn money? If opponent countries create variety of sanctions for Bolivia.
    Today, it's perfectly normal that allied countries with power install banks, telecommunication companies, mobile phone operators, car companies, etc. in less powerful allied country.

    It's all about sincerity. Many figures switched from one system to another. From socialism to democracy, capitalism, liberalism, nationalism, because they all wanted only power, money, luxurious lifestyle and honours. But, what about the people, who acted sincere and really embraced one system? System leaders, creators usually abandon their followers and try to save themselves. Something that mass never learns.

    There are many cases where ex-socialists today go in the Church, first row, close to the altar, even though they still learn the entire procedure. Their usual mistake is when they go on the left knee after they enter in the Church. Or when they say their name and words: "Nice to meet you" during hand shakes. They often like to carry rosaries around their necks, making sign of cross publicly, so that everyone sees it. Ex-socialists became current conservatives, traditionalists and pro life fighters.:rolleyes: Also, when they try to make those three small crosses on their foreheads, lips and chests. They just move with fingers making nothing hoping it's good.:D Majority of them would rather avoid their past. But there are also some socialists who remained socialists in every period. More respectful compared with sunflowers. There are also conservative figures who fight today for liberal values. There are many proofs where sincerity exists only in small percents.

    You probably gained your beliefs from your ancestors. Some of them had good lives back in the past and you created variation where you think that your belief was good for all people. Many people migrated after WWII from newly created socialist societies. Same happened in 1970's when new wave migrated in capitalist states. Also, many people migrated from ex-socialist countries in 2008. because of world crisis. Among them, you can see descendants of ex-socialists and opponents of socialism. At the end, they all end in the same pot with stamps on their foreheads where they seek the better life.

    One example: Person who deserved his socialist awards, because of his ancestors. His academic education: shoemaker. He became warehouse manager. While naive working class people worked hard in those amusing blue suits and rubber boots. He was sitting all day long in his office chair, pretending to have university degree, reading newspapers, he hired his daughter as apprentice. She studied something real on her university. Of course, she worked in administration, not something with physical torture like other socialist workers. Were they equal? Father shoemaker, workers also nothing, but somehow he skipped all physical jobs and he focused only on providing orders. Later that warehouse burned because he never knew anything about fire protection, chemicals, materials which can easily become flamed. Entire family were atheists in religious sense. Got department in elite part of the city for free. It wasn't something great, those usual socialist flats: cubical architecture with 3,4 floors and small balcony. He lived with his daughter and wife. His son from first marriage lived in other part of the city. After socialism collapsed, he continued to live as atheist. He even removed the Roman Catholic priest from the hospital room where he was placed with words: "What are you doing in my room?". The priest wanted to give him the sacrament before his death. That hospital, like many others, was created with assistance of Roman Catholic church in earlier periods, before the socialism, communism. Those hospitals carry the names, like: Holy Spirit, Jordan, Rib, Samaritan Sisters...just like in USA: Sinai, St. Anna, etc. His daughter got well paid jobs in state institutions in socialism and capitalism, 33,34 years of working experience. Also an atheist, but she baptized her two sons in Roman Catholic Church when they became older, around 10,11 years. After she got divorced, she kept her husbands surname, so that no one notices her birth surname, because it has another ethnic sound. Her two sons and grandsons of person who removed the priest are today rightists. Also, her half-brother changed his first name so that he erases his ethnic mark. His daughter makes holy mass service for her deceased mother in one Church. You can see the truthful story of three generations in one city which was under socialism until 1990. Huge steps and reformations in just 60-70 years.

    The worse thing is when someone ends as opponent of long lasting system. You can't erase this state even if you become the loudest promoter of the hostile system for your ancestors. You can't just say: "I am conservative, or I am socialist". Someone needs to sacrifice so that you get the easier path.

    At the end, descendants of all systems end in modest lifestyles. Because no one can't be among first ones in every system.:D
     
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  16. Pietro Calcio

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    Dude....really?
     
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  17. phat

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    We need to lock that putz @totti fan in a room with you so we can reeducate him.
     
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  18. La Magica

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    totti fan and his cute low IQ youtube video just got destroyed by a bit of critical thinking.
     
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  19. Gilbertsson

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    #17094 Gilbertsson, Nov 20, 2019
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    I am just trying to be realistic and objective. Figures in this video of Totti Fan...I understand them really well. Their parents, grandparents made huge sacrifice for the sake of communism and they gained awards as sincere worshipers.

    Anatoliy talked about the war in Ukraine. I wonder who attacked Ukraine, which figures? Some new people with origins in new and hostile nationalism, or are they the old people, who came out from the old, Soviet system?

    They admire to socialism, not because of the spiritual values of socialism. It's because they had caviar on their table, great jobs, social status, savings.

    To have that, you need to sacrifice.

    If you are a Roman Catholic and if that person has close family member in clergy: uncle who is a bishop, priest. For sure, his family members will have good time.

    Today in democracy, ex-socialists fight for the clean air, LGBT rights, but they forget that socialist countries used coal in their factories, cars were bad and they had bad influence on air pollution. Also, I don't remember Gay pride events in 70's, 80's in Soviet Union, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Yugoslavia. Suddenly, socialists became liberals who promote sustainable development, usage of energy: wind, water.

    The person from my story, who removed the priest from his hospital room, where he died because of his age and broken hip. His grandson fights at courts, so that he remains in the department which was confiscated and given to his mother. He is not so happy, because these court sessions last for a decade or more.

    His aunt was pretty much happy after the match against Slovakia in these qualifications. Before 30 years, she supported different team, Yugoslavia. She is still an atheist, but her two sons are Roman Catholics, even though their grandparent who died in hospital was atheist with different ethnic background.

    They all don't talk to each other, they are all divorced, some of them are good with money, some are not. These who had money, don't want to help to those without the money. The son of that person who removed the priest wanted money from his daughter because she sold her confiscated department. So, he took half of the money. They don't talk to each other at all. His son tries to remain in other confiscated department. So, I am aware about 3 confiscated departments in three generations. How can that be? :whistling:

    Now the descendants of real owners want their department back, so they chase that grandson on courts.

    Only therapists might solve the problems in this trinity of generations.

    It's important to be realistic. For example, if Totti Fan becomes CEO in one company. Would he give the nice salary to other socialist workers in his company? In socialism, people without any education were directors in state companies. Working class figures.

    Someone who promoted Solidarnosc movement in Poland. It was risky for those people, this movement could failed. But they were tired of warehouses, coal mines. After they achieved success, they gained better positions, necktie, suits, cars, drivers. The movement awarded small minority for sure. But majority didn't had much benefits, just like in all systems.

    You have to be among small minority, so that you can achieve something after your movement ends as succesful.

    Protests in Hong Kong probably won't be succesful. Opponents of Evo Morales became succesful. And you could notice the woman who proclaimed herself as president. For sure, she will have great position after the elections, vice-president, diplomacy. Those who participated in riots against Morales, majority of them will have the same lives.
     
  20. ArtemioD

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    A Soviet Jew Communist got caught lying and was exposed colluding with the so called whistleblower.
     
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  21. falvo

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    So the Dems spun it into Trump taking a bribe or extortion…..
     
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    I’d like to know about Martim as well. I mean you guys are fighting for him as well right ?
     
  24. totti fan

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    LOL. Are you familiar with Russia and Eastern Europe pre 1917. It was a backward agrarian society run by feudal despots. There was little to confiscate, they had to build a society from the ground up whilst simultaneously fighting off repeated invasions from the West.

    Watch the video again and stop misrepresenting what was said. They said people had better education, everyone had a job, no-one was homeless, people were KINDER. Who gives a fvck if the cars they drive now are flashier. Society was built around a different set of priorities, not the fvck you i want mine philosophy of the West and a pointless accumulation of useless material goods, but a sense of community.

    Instead of rambling and repeating liberal and right-wing tropes, show some integrity and pay these people some respect for the stories they're sharing. The way you're lecturing on these peoples lived experiences is idiotic.
     
  25. totti fan

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    #17100 totti fan, Nov 21, 2019
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    Bolivia could trade with China, Russia, Iran, India etc. If you can justify a CIA backed military coup in Bolivia purely because they want to nationalise natural resources, there is something wrong.
     

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