The Impeachment Pool

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On what day (of the month of which year) does the U.S. House of Representatives vote - on the floor

  1. On or Before January 20, 2018

    8.7%
  2. On or Before January 20, 2019

    23.9%
  3. On or Before January 20, 2020

    10.9%
  4. On or Before January 20, 2021

    7.6%
  5. None of the Above - Donald Trump finishes out one or two terms of office

    48.9%
  1. ChrisSSBB

    ChrisSSBB Member+

    Jun 22, 2005
    DE
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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    Let’s see... how would I address this as a true believer? “Our Dear Leader realizes that his presidency is essential to the welfare of it’s citizens and MAGA. Without him in office, their will be drought, famine, pestilence and S&P down 50%. His efforts are not for personal gain but for the greater good by doing whatever is necessary to defeat the enemies of the people who dare to run against him.” Sounds totally and perfectly justified!
     
  2. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    New Jersey
    Gym Jordan just got annihilated on NPR. Like call the fight before he dies annihilated
     
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  3. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    He did his job: pollute the airwaves by not answering questions by raising objections that are hard to refute because they are meant to obfuscate. Then start shouting "NOTHING HAPPENED" because Trump never actually got the dirt he asked for.

    Then when asked about the propriety of Trump asking in the first place, start bleating the same obfuscating crap. Only louder.
     
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  4. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Off the top rope

    tenor (3).gif
     
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  5. chaski

    chaski Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 20, 2000
    redacted
    Club:
    Lisburn Distillery FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Turks and Caicos Islands
    Jordan is hard to pin down.
     
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  6. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

    Mar 9, 2000
    Bethesda, Md
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I am seeing Pelosi and the D's upping up the ante. They don't talk about QPQ anymore. Bribery and extortion are the key words now. Pelosi is a very careful pol, using the bribery word is not an accident. I bet there is more revelations to come out in the days to come.
     
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  7. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

    Mar 9, 2000
    Bethesda, Md
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Questions to the lawyers here. Next week, Sondland will be asked about his, previously unreported, call to Trump from a restaurant in Kiev. This call is corroborated by two witnesses. No way he can pretend not to recall. If he denies making the call, is that considered perjury? What are his options?
     
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  8. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Curl up in a ball? I think he's screwed. Can calls between gov't employees be subpoenaed?
     
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  9. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So far, Pelosi has been masterful.
     
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  10. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It’s actually a messaging change. Dems believe bribery is simpler to explain.
     
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  11. Walia Ibex

    Walia Ibex Red Card

    Arsenal
    Ethiopia
    Oct 2, 2019
    Unless this impeachment process leads to a removal or resignation all of this is noise. It is just a waste of time and the Beltway and East coast media obsessing over something that will not come to fruition. Why drag out a full year of this (similar to Muller wasted two years) when all that is going to happen is an acquittal or non-conviction. If it does led somewhere I will comeback and eat crow on this thread but I doubt it.
     
  12. NGV

    NGV Member+

    Sep 14, 1999
    Mark Sandy, director of national security programs at OMB, is apparently going to testify. I imagine he could provide insight into the role of the current acting director of OMB, (Russ Vought, a Republican political hack) as well as that of Mulvaney.

    The big weakness in Trump's abuse of power efforts is that crooked schemes of any size are likely to come into contact with some career government employees - and that once some of those career people start speaking up, there's no reason for others to stay silent. We'll see if the outbreak of whistleblowing in the State Department and NSC starts to spread to other places (for example, the Justice Department).
     
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  13. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Fcking up Donnie's world may be the feather in her career cap.
     
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  14. NGV

    NGV Member+

    Sep 14, 1999
    A few reasons:
    - Republicans should actually be forced to embarass themselves by defending the indefensible, rather than being just able to dodge.
    - Democratic voters would be demoralized and demobilized if their own party failed to pursue Trump for obvious crimes, making it more likely that Trump could win another term.
    - Impeachment, even without conviction, still is pretty unpleasant for the target; going through with it might help deter future wrongdoing, even if the Senate acquits.
     
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  15. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

    Mar 9, 2000
    Bethesda, Md
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Shitty take. Just as a matter of principle, he needs to be investigated and impeached.
    Beyond that though, the facts are there and are overwhelming. Trump base will stick by him come hell and high water but for the rest of the population, the level of corruption is clear now.
    That will also force the Rs in the Senate to take a tough vote and whatever they do, the will pay the price in november.
    Finally Trump himself, unlikely to be removed, will be a weaken and impeached president, carrying a load of scandals in 2020 and running for reelection. Her will be simply toxic beyond his shrinking base.
     
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  16. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

    Mar 9, 2000
    Bethesda, Md
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That is a pretty big news. This dude may be realizing it is now or never to jump ship and come clean.
     
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  17. Pønch

    Pønch Saprissista

    Aug 23, 2006
    Donde siempre
    What's the alternative? Just let blatant criminality go unnoticed and unreported since Republicans are not even pretending to care? Seems like a very simplistic non-solution.

    It's hardly a waste of time documenting the extent to which Republicans in congress will go to obstruct justice and defend a undeniably corrupt and inept administration.
     
  18. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Fox News will would this "The Deep State Is Attempting A Coup."
     
  19. JamesA

    JamesA Member+

    Dec 7, 2004
    Victoria
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Yes. But at the same time, trump and co are ********ing awful criminals.

    They ********ing botched this big time.
     
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  20. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    New Jersey
    I’ve criticized Pelosi a lot in the last six months....but this is ********ing brilliant

     
  21. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Luck be in the air tonight?
     
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  22. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
    San Rafael, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Can you feel it? Luck be in the air tonight. Oh Lord. Oh Lord.

    [drum solo]
     
  23. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    IMO Sondland should be regarded as a co-conspirator rather than a mere witness like Bill Taylor

    He's already been forced into damaging admissions which potentially implicate himself in a criminal extortion scheme. IMO his lawyers will be advising him to admit to anything that the Dems can surely prove. Perhaps he can get creative around the call content knowing a recording (hopefully) won't come out.

    He does need to be very careful not to open himself up to criminal obstruction charges. That is basically what happened to Stone.
     
  24. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    One thing that does happen in these situations is that CYA becomes high priority.

    So if you have your fingers in a criminal scheme in a government department, maybe best to be in the beach head team reporting it - than facing the music following a Biden win in 2020

    That is also why these investigations matter. They send a message to the little people.
     
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  25. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    This scheme is pretty insane when you factor in Bilbo Barr flying out to Italy and Great Britain to demand evidence that Ukraine/Clinton hacked the election & discredit US Intelligence Services whilst Donny was pestering Australia and extorting Zelensky
     

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