¡Hala Juve! - The 2018-2019 Other Players (and Teams) thread

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  1. Ozora

    Ozora Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Aug 5, 2014
    Club:
    Chelsea LFC
    considering this match is probably the highlight of season's first leg, they should use var properly,two handball are ignored
     
  2. Ozora

    Ozora Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Aug 5, 2014
    Club:
    Chelsea LFC
    dybala scored immediately later:ROFLMAO:
     
  3. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    They reviewed it. But again found it unnecessary for the ref to review it. The 2nd one is not a PK. Period. No need to review it.

    The interesting part about the 1st one is that the ball first comes off the arm of the Man City player. I wonder if that had anything to do with the no call.
     
  4. Forzabarca

    Forzabarca Guest

    Sterling should have had a penalty for the push. That's a clear penalty to me. The second handball is 50/50.

    First one didn't even touch the hand did it?
     
  5. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Heading to England again it appears.
     
  6. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    The new laws are very clear. That is no longer considered handball. 100/0.
     
  7. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    There is no way that 2nd handball is 50/50. It's 100% not a handball. I hate the push Sterling got, but in that situation never gets called.
     
  8. Ozora

    Ozora Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Aug 5, 2014
    Club:
    Chelsea LFC
    the 2nd is not a pen but first one is.
    still pep really has incredibly bad luck against var
     
  9. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Yeah ... but the first one came off a man city player arm before .
     
  10. TitoTata

    TitoTata Member+

    Jun 26, 2014
    Exactly ... yet it doesn’t seem to be being mentioned much .. Lovren tried to clear the ball but it cannoned off Bernado Silva’s hand then smashed into TAA’s hand .. it’s also ridiculous for people to keep saying that TAA moved his hand towards the ball ..
     
  11. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Do the existing Laws of the Game account for such a bizarre deflection?

    Its 100% a penalty if we ignore how the ball got to Lovren. We also know that you cannot score or assist by handling the ball, even if the handling was unintentional. But what if your unintentional handball leads directly to a penalty? Is that covered in the LOTG? I'm figuring it must be, but never heard anyone mention it.

    Also, an argument could be made that Lovren's handball led to a goal (at the other end), as Liverpool went on to score a few passes later. Is that not review-able? I mean, in the Madrid - Ajax CL match last season they reviewed whether the ball was out-of-bounds before Ajax scored that 3rd away goal, even though some 10 passes occurred between that incident and the goal. Isn't this a similar situation? And if its review-able, and deemed a foul (which is clearly is), then shouldn't that be a penalty for Man City?
     
  12. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I wouldn't be more surprised if they thought of that situation. There are many in game situations that are hard to think of ahead of time. Irregardless, the FA said that the first handball had nothing to do with the no call. They deemed Lovren's arm to be in a natural position and he had no time to avoid it. I don't tend to disagree to be honest. But we've seen these given. I think most need to realize is that there is no easy answer with regards to handballs in the box unless you make it black and white. Problem is that a PK is too much of a reward for one of those very "cheap" handballs.
     
  13. TitoTata

    TitoTata Member+

    Jun 26, 2014
    Thing is all these City fans still bitching about everything should watch the build up to Liverpool’s first goal and go after the player most responsible for the goal .. namely Gundogan who’s pitifully poor ‘attempted’ clearance was a great set up for Fabinho’s worldie.
     
  14. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    To me, that explanation by the FA can be filed under "shocking, but not surprising". That folder is getting pretty thick since VAR was implemented in the Premier League. If that's not a handball, then there are no handballs in football. A) His arm moved to stop the ball / Wasn't a natural silhouette, B) he was pretty far enough from the last person to touch the ball, C) The ball was travelling at a pretty slow speed.

    2 Liverpool players were within 5 feet of him. You just gotta get the ball out of the box in that scenario. Unfortunately for him, the ball was under his body so it wasn't possible to get much power behind the clearance. Anybody who has ever kicked a soccer ball in their life can sympathize with him there. Probably didn't help that the ref was blocking his view from the wide-open Kyle Walker to his right.
     
  15. TitoTata

    TitoTata Member+

    Jun 26, 2014
    He did a Sterling and scuffed the ball :)

    One of the worst clearances I’ve ever seen and he paid the price . If Stones had done that they would have slaughtered him
     
  16. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    If you look at the play, it's like half a second between hitting both arms. So I just don't know about reaction time. Plus when you're running it's harder to react. In slow motion it looks like he stuck his arm out a bit ... but that can be deceiving. I saw a few English refs actually disagree on the call. EPL seems to be taking it the American sports way ... for the call on the field to be overturned, it needs to be clear 100% on the replay.

    The problem is that by the definition of "silhouette" , it looks like a handball and many like these have been given.
     
  17. TitoTata

    TitoTata Member+

    Jun 26, 2014
    Well if TAA intentionally tried to stop it ( errr why would he these days ) then we should put him in goal as he must have the reflexes of a humming bird
     
  18. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Well, you can argue that way with every handball. Almost never does it make sense to intentionally handle the ball in your own box, yet handballs still occur every day.

    I reckon often it's not intent, strictly speaking. More of a miscalculation.
     

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  19. TitoTata

    TitoTata Member+

    Jun 26, 2014
    I recall Puyol always faced the ball to block it with his hands behind his back to avoid handballs ..

    Wish we could find another like him .. the only guy that reminds me of him his the new guy at Leicester who’s getting all the rave reviews ..

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  20. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Sarri says Ronaldo has a knee problem.

    Portugal coach says he is fine and is seen training normally.

    Ronaldo says nothing.

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
     
  21. Forzabarca

    Forzabarca Guest

    So it remains, has he dribbled pass anyone last three years? LOL
     
  22. Ozora

    Ozora Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Aug 5, 2014
    Club:
    Chelsea LFC
    i always believe that ronaldo has never been a good dribbler throughout his career. Capello just said the truth.
     
  23. Ozora

    Ozora Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Aug 5, 2014
    Club:
    Chelsea LFC
    ronaldo goals in seriea: 5
    ronaldo goals against lithuania:7 lmao.
    he may saved all of his energy against this team
     
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  24. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Not surprising ...

     
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  25. Bada Bing

    Bada Bing Member+

    Jul 13, 2012
    Finland
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Finally made to major tournament. :D
     

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