The USSF directive was that in the situation where the attacking team grabs it and if theres any sign of irate defenders, the referee immediately intercepts, demands the ball, and broadcasts "it's their kickoff, it's their ball." No language confusion. Short, simple, public, and no one can later claim they didn't know. I'm really not making this up. It was a couple of slides of the recertification course and I haven't heard anything contradicting it yet but will admit that I haven't heard to retaught in a while. Naturally, this GK earned his caution. I'm saying they it might have been possible to avoid putting the GK in that position to begin with, if the CR had some forward vision it could have been avoided. Please don't use the professional, or worse the international game, as the metric for managing these youth matches. We have endless examples of the professional game that we don't tolerate at the youth levels. This was taught (at one point) to be one of them.
And in effect, that's what we do in a normal game played under the Laws of the Game. Time is added. So then the ref states, "It's their kickoff, it's their ball. Don't worry, I'm adding time."
Different sport, but I figured people here would appreciate it. In last weekend's WSU-Cal college football game in the 3rd quarter the head referee correctly called a foul for hands to the face on a punt. But he had a brain fart and thought the player he was calling for a foul was on the receiving team, not the kicking team. He assessed the foul from the point of infraction backwards (in the direction the punt was going) half the distance to the goalline, as you would if the foul was on the receiving team, instead of adding it to the end of the runback in the direction the ball was being returned as the foul was actually on the kicking team. It caused a 57 yard difference in starting position. WSU ended up getting a field goal on the drive, but when you're stating 57 yards further away than you're supposed to its a lot harder. https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/11...orrectly-and-lost-57-yards-in-field-position/
Makes me feel better about accidentally pointed in the wrong direction at midfield last night, and not realizing it until the ball was kicked! (Other team got it anyway, as they did on every single FK that team took during the game.) Related story: earlier in my referee "career," a coach lost his mind at me and I was "encouraged" by my assignor to AR for one of our Nationals (a National AR, but also does/did DI college CRs etc.) to see how he managed things. It turns out that he managed things by never speaking - at all, to anyone - the entire game. So in the 40th minute or so, when he awarded a PK in what was clearly (to me) handling by the attacking team (not the defending team), everyone just... went along with it. The coach asked me, I just shrugged; players too. In the ref room at halftime, he asked if we thought it was a good call, only to have both of us say that we were pretty sure it went off the attacker. Became clear then that he had mixed up colors, but the silence... worked? I still do talk, but I did learn something. (What is unclear.)
Almost 4 weeks ago I had a worst thing to hear story. Today was the best news part. 4 weeks ago I was told I needed arthroscopic surgery for a torn meniscus. Cortisone didnt work and my options were live with the pain or get cut on. I had the surgery 4 weeks ago this coming Friday. I have had 3 weeks of PT so far and today we worked lateral sidestepping and turning from a sidestep to a straight run. I have been cleared to work out and begin light jogging to build stamina. The plan was aiming to have me ready for mid December. I will be ready before the end of November. Modern surgery and rehab are fantastic things.
had this last week. Yellow card being issued. Coach tells the referee to “get this thing moving, you’re wasting time.” Ah, Coach, the clock is stopped.
U13 (9v9) boys local rec championship game. Not USSF affiliated but two of the crew are USSF certified and the center NFHS. Injury in the second half and a parent said "Stop the clock!" CR said "It's already stopped." Parent: "But you didn't make the X with your arms."
HSBV back in '18 - After a similar exchange with the CR, the Visitor's coach clarified the context with me (AR1)... "Yeah, tell him don't do that anymore... this weather sucks, we've quit playing, and the bus ride home is 2 1/2 hours down [bleeping] Route 2... Let's get this over with... Fast... Sir."
A few years ago in a dual I verbally warned a player for taking too much time on restarts with about 5:00 left in a 3-0 game the visitors were winning. The next time I ran by the home coach he said "Please don't stop the clock for a card, [the only restaurant in town] stops serving food at 8:00"
It was just a bit windy today (gusts to 50) and the temp was 45. We had a set of matches that were glorified friendlies as the older kids are coming back from their high school teams and played a round robin as they are getting ready for the late fall tournament schedule. Games were really easy as the teams could play the ball around with one touch and nobody was flying into challenges. In the 4 matches I was involved in, I had the only yellow of the day for an old fashioned professional foul around thd half way line. Unfortunately, for the first time ever, I had switched the places I keep the cards! I pulled out red, and got it about a tenth out of my pocket before changing gears. Last game of the day. Early in scoreless match, I am AR2. Green has the ball in the area with 2 of their players in OSP just outside the goal area. Ball is slotted thru, OSP player lifts his foot and the ball rolls under it (without a touch) and wrong foots the ‘keeper in very slow motion and it goes in. I stand stock still. Referee comes over and I explain what I have and he gives the OS. I did not flag the play to start. Should I have raised it, and what do you think of the call?
That’s an interesting procedural question. At least the old GTP guidance was that if the goal scores before you flag for OS, you should only flag if the scorer was OS, and otherwise stand still—exactly what you did. But I think that guidance was more focused on the idea of blocking vision (which the R is likely to have a good opinion on), which was then the most likely non-touch OS that would be at the immediate time of a goal. I’d be curious from those that get more elite instruction what the instructions are currently.
My take is that you were spot on correct. You knew that the player was in an offside position, you knew that the player had lifted their foot over the ball, but you weren't 100% certain if this had affected the GK (your phrasing suggested that you suspected this). Ball goes in the goal, be a nice statue, explain your thoughts to the referee, and if the referee agrees, easy offside call. Based on your phrasing, this is interfering with the opponent by "making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball." The fact that the goalkeeper was wrong footed suggests that the goalkeeper was expecting the player to deflect/play the ball, and when the player moved out of its way... the goalkeeper was wrong footed and was unable to make an attempt at a save.
Uh, no. Are you thinking that a whiff is not interfering with play? As described we could debate which provisions of interfering with an opponent best fits: • clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or • making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball The key element in the OP is the effect on the keeper.
Btw, the final score was 9-0. And guess what, the winning coach still asked about the disallowed goal!!
A great high school season came to an end. Finished with a very good state semifinal. Looking forward to resting the legs some.
I exerted a lot of self control last night. I think I've mentioned that I've started playing again (O30 bottom division). The problem is when we are a single game not back to back with a more difficult game to call, you get a center that probably couldn't do a harder match and two ARs who might not be doing adult centers yet. There was a drop ball because the ball grazed the ref's chest. The thing is, I'm pretty sure the ball went where it was always going to go, to the other team. The ref whistles for a drop ball, my guys think it is ours and because there wasn't a promising attack, I figured he was calling it a turnover and giving us the ball back. He then drops the ball to the other team who plays a two yard backwards pass then a through ball forward that I have to defend 1-on-1 because the defensive line was up by the drop location. At half time I went up to him and asked, "Did you tell my guys you were dropping it to the other team?" "[The other team] touched it last so you should have known it was their ball." "But they didn't, the whole defensive line was 10 yards out of position up by the dropped ball." "I told them to play it backwards." I almost lost it, ignoring the "manufactured restart", "They played a two yard backwards pass then a line breaking forward pass that my guys were out of position for." "They should have known." Twice, a player set up to shield the ball from an opponent and let the ball run past. An opponent tried to win the ball but ended up kicking/running into the player shielding the ball then falling over. A foul is awarded... against the player shielding the ball. In the adult league, the managers fill out ratings on the referees. It is a good thing that I don't fill out the ratings and the manager doesn't ask my opinion. Thank you for letting me vent
This is the reason I stopped playing many years ago. I figured that I would have a better time making 22 other people happy than being one of 22 who were angry at a clueless referee. It's worked out OK from my point of view-- can't really speak for all the teams..... Maybe you should have filled out the ratings, especially if there was an opportunity to describe the situations you vent about here. If you work for the assignor for your league, maybe a quick email?
U15/16 Girls in an indoor league (regular rules, 9v9 field). Borderline yellow for a charge in the back by the blue team in the corner for a free kick coming out. Give the her the benefit of the doubt with just an AC. 5 minutes later, same thing, easy yellow. A couple of yellows to the red team for a reckless challenge and SPA. Here’s the situation: red defender, blue attacker, and red GK collide in the box off of a through ball. I would have called the PK but the attacker just HAD to handle the ball before the collision. So now I have to call the free kick going out and I know someone is going to say something. Of course the player who is already on a yellow (blue team) yells the loudest. I turn around and make eye contact with her and she keeps yelling. Easy 2CT and somehow she is shocked. Her coach is too, even though I they probably heard her yelling in the lobby. After the match, coach is complaining that I sent off his player because she’s only a “14 year old girl”! I’d give that yellow to a 12 year old (U13), and I really don’t see the issue with a 14 year old. She deserved it through and through.