November 15 & 19, 2019 Friendlies (Peru and Ecuador)

Discussion in 'Colombian National Team' started by Furnaccio, Oct 16, 2019.

  1. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Official matches in Youth Tournaments. Yes.
     
  2. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Although there was some gray area with the Sub 20 Sudamericano and a few players that played for other teams.

    Also, if you play an official match for a Youth team you can still request a one time switch as long as you were eligible to play for the other country before you played the official match.
     
  3. kromekote

    kromekote Member+

    May 22, 2012
    Club:
    America de Cali
    One thing I'd like to see in these 2 next matches is a consistent starting line-up for both games. Use 2nd half to change it up a bit but I'd like to see the team that's going to line up in March:

    Arqueros: David Ospina, Eder Chaux y Aldair Quintana

    Defensas: Santiago Arias, Stefan Medina, Jhon Lucumí, Davinson Sánchez, Yerry Mina, Jeison Murillo, William Tesillo y Johan Mojica

    Volantes: Jefferson Lerma, Wilmar Barrios, Juan Guillermo Cuadrado, Steven Azate, Mateus Uribe y Yairo Morneo.

    Delanteros: James Rodríguez, Stiven Mendoza, Roger Martínez, Luis Diaz, Alfredo Morelos y Luis Fernando Muriel


    Based on the call up, my starting 11:


    --------------------OSPINA--------------------


    ARIAS--------DS------MINA----------TESILLO


    MORENO------------BARRIOS ----------CUADRADO


    JAMES ------------MORELOS ------------MURIEL
     
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  4. Jace

    Jace Member

    Oct 19, 2014
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  5. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Hope fabra is called
     
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  6. Jace

    Jace Member

    Oct 19, 2014
  7. Baal88

    Baal88 Member+

    May 10, 2008
    Medellin
    Club:
    Independiente Medellin
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Debería darle a Yairo la oportunidad de jugar de lateral izquierdo. En León lo hace muy bien de carrilero y físicamente le da para desempeñar esa función, aparte tiene la visión de juego de un mediocampista, por lo que es capaz de meter pases que un lateral normalmente no vería ni tendria la capacidad de hacerlos.
     
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  8. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Glad to see Fabra back.
     
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  9. Froboy69

    Froboy69 Member+

    Inter Milan
    Colombia
    Mar 25, 2011
    San Diego
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    God I am hoping that we end this year on a good note. The coach needs to focus on our A squad from this point on to continue developing the mentality for when we host the Copa America this summer.
     
  10. crzdcolombian

    crzdcolombian Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
    Avon,CT
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    he needs to try new players in practice. If we do bad at Copa America he should get the boot.

    20 field players to try isn’t enough

    also no domestic league call ups/scouting. What happened to the mini camps he said he would do.

    guy was huge promises just like pekerman then 6 months in it’s like ok they forgot. Pekerman said he would bring youth players to the NT call ups so they’d be motivated and ready for the next level. Did it like 1 time
     
  11. villus

    villus Member+

    Jun 5, 2008
    There is almost no national teams that call in the numbers for camps that you call for. It doesn't happen because you can't work with that many people, it gets diluted. If someone doesn't perform in a game it doesn't mean you simply discard them and we'd find another James playing in Colombia. There are for sure some players in the Colombian league who can make the step up but the fact is its much more difficult to know since the level is hard to compare, and as a NT coach you don't have a ton of time with players like you do with club so you need to be more focused with the time working with your core group who will play, you can always add in players as needed as the cycle goes on. He has called up domestic players for the previous friendlies but clearly he's now in the phase of closing ranks around the guys he wants going forward which absolutely makes sense.

    He could do a domestic camp at some point and I'm all for that, see everyone up close, but for international managers time is severely limited so it makes sense to prioritize the core group and add in as needed.
     
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  12. Furnaccio

    Furnaccio Member+

    Feb 19, 2008
    New York, NY
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    myself and others have said this exact point on multiple occasions. In theory it sounds like a good idea, but in reality, it just doesn't work b/c of timing, financial and other logistical issues like the ones you mentioned as well.
     
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  13. crzdcolombian

    crzdcolombian Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
    Avon,CT
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    28 is not unrealistic

    we need a left back and a right back. But we are dying for a LB.

    Now who replaces Uribe on the line up.

    call the team he is calling plus 2 additional Lbs to look at at 2 extra box to box Mfs. What’s the harm in that

    instead he likes to call 4 goalies and injured players
     
  14. villus

    villus Member+

    Jun 5, 2008
    Just because you call LB's doesn't mean they'll magically be good enough to play for the Colombian National team. You act like if you keep looking we'll find players that do not exist. Tesillo and Fabra are two guys we know can play at the level needed, Mojica as well plus Arias/Medina/Uribe/Lerma/Cuadrado could deputize there, its not like we didn't have Tesillo, Fabra and Mojica that we'd just ignore the other guys and go direct for a LB to the Colombian league. It doesn't make sense to keep looking for a guy who wouldn't ever play at any point. Its not like we have a glut of box to box guys out there either. We have a tone of holding midfielders and a very small amount of box to box players. Alzate is a box to box guy, also Agudelo who is with the U-23's so there are guys in the program currently being looked at for those positions. Lerma is the first back up and isn't going anywhere, Moreno was just added into the mix. That's 2 new guys who are in camp and one guys who's with the u-23s, James can also play a deeper role in some games I think adding Alzate and already adding Moreno is good coverage to Uribe, Cuadrado, Lerma, James and Agudelo may be next up but he's rightfully with the U-23's for now.

    We tried lots of guys in recent friendlies, some fullbacks from the Colombian league clearly weren't good enough, if you keep trying further down the depth list its not going to get better.
     
  15. Furnaccio

    Furnaccio Member+

    Feb 19, 2008
    New York, NY
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    are both Uribe and Diaz out of the next two games b/c of their partying???

    fair point about the number of GK's always called up. i agree with your sentiment there. Ospina played both games last month when it wasn't necessary and what's the story with Montero's suspension?

    given Ospina's lack of club time the past few years, it's a "damned if you do play Ospina" "damned if you don't play Ospina" situation.
     
  16. crzdcolombian

    crzdcolombian Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
    Avon,CT
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Yea but then he calls GKs who don’t start for their clubs in the domestic league... when they have a player over them who does and is Colombian.

    is it a height thing or a age thing?

    we are very weak in certain spots. Also testing players when you call 20 field players and all your main roster to me personally isn’t testing players

    testing players is like Mina is injury prone let’s not call him and give Lucumi the shot to start next to Sánchez.

    not trying Díaz who is 10,000,000,000x better then Martinez because one scored a screamer on Argentina
     
  17. Furnaccio

    Furnaccio Member+

    Feb 19, 2008
    New York, NY
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    you're not wrong, but
    1. If Mina and Davison are both healthy, the plan appears to play them together as often as possible. Although Lucumi and others should be in the mix for friendlies b/c when it comes to CA or WC tournament, things happen like card accumulation, injuries, etc. when you have 6 subs a game, it's hard to get everyone in....

    2. Diaz, Roger, Muriel should always be rotating for minutes. Personally, I would like to see Diaz emerge as a starter on the wing, but i'm ok with Muriel playing as long as he plays with a chip on his shoulder. I like Roger too, but i see your point. it will be interesting to see how Mr. Sinister develops over time as with other strikers like Borre/Morelos....

    3. as to the GK situation - i have no clue and justification for who gets called up and why Ospina gets 99% of the minutes. for a NT with only 4 players with 100+ caps, it's astonishing how Ospina has had no competition for what will likely be 3 WC cycles. but to his credit, on the whole, he does deliver and has saved many crucial shots....
     
  18. villus

    villus Member+

    Jun 5, 2008
    Diaz was given plenty of chances by CQ and has been in the squad regularly. Do you think seeing Lucemi play in a friendly against Venezuela or Algeria tells you more then seeing him play in the champions league against Liverpool or Napoli? Coaches have TV's and tactical cam's, they have data to analyze and they are in contact with coaches of teams, its not like the only chance you get to evaluate a player is in a friendly in a different jersey. The game is the game, I think using and matching different guys is important but again for international soccer you have limited time so its imperative to get your main core guys playing together and getting time to gel as much as possible, its easier to add to that when you already have good chemistry then continuously trying to start from scratch. One or two friendlies is not more testing then competitive league games, and you have limited time to get it together so you need to evaluate outside of the National Team, I think personally a guy like Lucemi its clear he is up to the standard but also Mina and Davinson are very young and are clearly first choice, Mina is also the vocal organizer and leader so having him on the field adds something extra I think that helps us.

    And there is no world were Lucemi is currently going to get the chance to start next to Davinson if they are all healthy currently, Mina has shown he and Davinson are the clear starters at this point based on club and National team performances, Lucemi currently is being evaluated as a deputy, down the road it could change but there is a large sample size of Davinson and Mina being our clear first choice, trying someone out in a friendly even if they have a great game won't change that.
     
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  19. kromekote

    kromekote Member+

    May 22, 2012
    Club:
    America de Cali
    The obvious thing I'm seeing in these call-ups is that NT coaches are requiring lots more function/flexibility of these players. This started back with Pekerman looking for players (Roca) who could offer more than just 1 position. Sometimes it paid off (Roca dropping to backline in 1-3 Colombia win @ Chile for WCQ 14) while other times it was a horrible experiment, Balanta (playing as an attacking left back 0-3 loss vs Argentina WCQ 18).

    Looking at players that can offer a bit more like Tesillo LB/CB, Medina RB/CB, Moreno DFM/AMF/LB, Cuadrado RB/MF....even Alzete according to him has also played RB and not just MF.

    Regardless of their polyfunctional acclaims, I'm hoping CQ can play the best 11 at the positions they can maximize. There's no doubt that we need to have a much bigger presence in that LB/RB role. Not having any width or not enough support in attack can make us really look dull and predictable.

    Hoping we have a great game tomorrow. Northeast has been freaking cold this week. Crazy that they have to come up to Red Bulls Arena and likely play in super cold wet weather next week.
     
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  20. Furnaccio

    Furnaccio Member+

    Feb 19, 2008
    New York, NY
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    supposed to be between 40 and 50 degrees next Tuesday. my crazy @$$ is going and early reports call for rain. luckily i got seats that are protected from any rain lol, but i will have to bundle up for sure, it can get windy at the Red Bull Arena and even worse at MetLife Stadium.
     
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  21. kromekote

    kromekote Member+

    May 22, 2012
    Club:
    America de Cali
    40-50 with no winds maybe....but with any winds, especially in that barren lot 90+ minutes it will feel like an eternity. Good idea on getting rain protected seats.
     
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  22. Furnaccio

    Furnaccio Member+

    Feb 19, 2008
    New York, NY
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    rain, hail, sleet or snow.....anything to support the team!

    can i have some wine with that cheese
    ;)
     
  23. SiempreCrema

    SiempreCrema Moderator
    Staff Member

    Deportivo Independiente Miraflores
    Peru
    Feb 4, 2015
    Club:
    Universitario de Deportes
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    Chile cancelled our friendly so looks like we only have one shot at experimenting and it will be against you.

    Please give us a good game Colombia! :)
     
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  24. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Queiroz will help you and also during wcq!
     
  25. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Well, so far Queiroz is undefeated against them with a 3-0 dominant performance in Lima.
    But that was helped by a dumb red card on their behalf. Let's see if things go differently this time around.
     
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