From the replays it is difficult to say that it was hand ball. One angle showed the ball just below the arm and there didn't look like any deflection at all. Maybe VAR saw it this way.
I don’t see how a ball that deflects right, hits the attacker’s arm, goes left and directly strikes the defender’s arm could be deemed handling.
I think the overlooked aspect of the play is that there was accidental handball by City right before the penalty shout. So regardless of whether or not you think it was a punishable handball against Liverpool, the handling against City would theoretically negate such a decision because you can’t have an OGSO result from the attacking handball.
Admittedly I’m at a bar with bad TVs and didn’t see it hit the attackers arm. Sounds like no handling in that case.
This is one of those plays that should be in training classes. The accidental handling by the offense didn't lead to a goal, so should that be deemed a foul? But it did lead to handling by the defense which in theory could have ended up being a goal by PK. Is it only an OGSO resulting from the offensive touch of the ball by the arm that matters or does it have to directly lead to a goal?
Also, if I’m right here... England not having OFRs was huge on this play. Without an OFR, goal stands. But with an OFR... if the referee determines he would have given a penalty if not for the attacking handball, the restart becomes a DFK for Liverpool and the goal gets annulled. So this is—again, if I’m right—where the process determined the result.
An OFR also could have helped sell the call whatever the result. This is a huge game for both sides and every goal magnifies, particularly tonight.
Right. But imagine the uproar if the result was the goal gets denied but the penalty isn’t given. Talk about confusion. Impossible to understand in the stadium. Likely just as impossible on the broadcast, because it would be contingent on announcers understanding.
the talking heads actually did a pretty good job explaining the non-call and subsequent review. I still think Oliver did well there I’m not calling either handling event. Also, his great positioning helped sell it.
I’m guessing Oliver waves it off because he thought the ball hit body, then arm, not because he knew it came off Silva’s arm the moment prior. So he got it right, but probably not for the reasons the talking heads think.
In many other sports the referees make a statement to the building/announcers on their section and briefly why. Sounds like something the Referee or 4th Official could do.
It really shouldn’t have been or hasn’t. The first penalty shout is debatable. We’ve had debatable penalty shouts since the dawn of time. Despite the antics from Klopp and Guardiola, what else has been a major controversy?
LOL about the non handling call on Alexander-Arnold. Looked pretty much just like the PK call against Veltman in the CL match Chelsea-Ajax. Too bad my club didn't get this in mid-week.
Except it was from two feet away instead of 8-9 yards away. Why does everyone have to do this? A ball hit a hand. Other than that they were nothing alike. Maybe you were hard done by but each individual situation should be assessed on its own merits.
Finally watched the Liverpool-Man City replay. The alleged handling by Liverpool in the 6th minute isn't handling in my book. It sure looked like it came off his lower rib first and then his arm, which wasn't high enough to warrant a call. Tough non-call, but I think it's the right non-call.
And the 2nd handling shout was less of an infringement than the first one. I think that was Pep recognizing his team’s three-peat chances are not in a good place right now.
How do you even argue with sports talkers like this? Those arguing Trent Alexander’s handball wasn’t a penalty because Bernardo’s accidental handball came first, & you can’t set up a goal scoring opportunity w/ your hand, are also saying Trent could have caught the ball and held on to it until the half was over. #Logic— Over Under Initiative (@OverUnderPlay) November 11, 2019