Don't tell me that the VAR Thread is still going?

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  1. zaqualung

    zaqualung Member+

    Jun 17, 2015
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    All of this endless discussion about calls - ffs - if he's barely offside then he's offside. If you're going to get involved in measurement of millimetres then that's the result you are seeking.
    Or in your case, positively salivating for ... :cool:

    In fact You should be happy that they were able to catch that..... it's a wonderful thing, a modern marvel, a dream come true..... ;)
     
  2. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
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    If it's not obvious what I'm talking about you could just ask me... however if you're unwilling or unable to actually follow along a discussion in good faith and instead just want to misrepresent points with shit like this, please refrain from posting.
     
  3. newterp

    newterp Moderator
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    Jun 6, 2007
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    don’t worry - he’ll be back with a bunch of responses (one at a time mind you) that make pretty much no sense because he’s moved the goalposts to support whatever position he has decided to take today. I’d suggest putting him on the ignore list.
     
  4. zaqualung

    zaqualung Member+

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    #729 zaqualung, Nov 6, 2019
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    If this isn't what you were talking about - then I am asking you. What were you talking about.
    Bobby looked barely off to me? Slightly ahead of defender's knee.
    If it was what you were talking about, then I'd suggest you shut up with the trite as$hole replies. If it was what you were talking about then you are getting what you wanted. Calls called correctly.

    What the hell am I misrepresenting? He looked barely off to you, you said. What could that mean (I infer it to mean that a part of you cringes and says - why call that? same as me and a million others).
    But You say 1,000 times here that you want to know if its offside or not. If it's being called correctly or not. This is knowing.

    What more do you want? And how is my pointing that out as an idea that could be said to be verging on a dichotomy of opinion not in good faith? Maybe you don't realize that you are verging on a dichotomy of opinion by both wanting them to get that call right and not wanting them to?

    What specifically do you think I wasn't following? You only wrote two sentences. What was there to miss?

    (and quit with the childish insults - you weren't too long about demanding USScouse to quit with that when directed at you a couple of weeks ago)
     
  5. zaqualung

    zaqualung Member+

    Jun 17, 2015
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    My positions are all in alignment ..... i CAN'T answer 50 diverging mentalities all at once....
     
  6. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

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    #731 EruditeHobo, Nov 6, 2019
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    @zaqualung I've said multiple times that I'm fine with VAR being improved and adjusted over time, so I'm obviously not "salivating" for these very, very close offside calls. That's what you're misrepresenting... because I've said multiple times these calls look stupid! So yeah, what am I supposed to say when you really can't be bothered to actually follow along with people's points?

    To say "this is the result I have been seeking" is a a big misrepresentation of what I've constantly said the point of VAR is, and my points about these very close offside calls kind of fly in the face of that idea.

    So, since you asked... yeah, Bobby looked barely offside to me. It's an insanely close call but it is the right call according to the rules, and that is something that I have no problem with them adjusting the offside rule for. But as the rule stands NOW that is a good call, and the fact that it's so close is really just part of the collateral damage necessary to fix the really obvious offside calls, and even a lot of the obvious penalty calls. Because that is what VAR intends to do, and that's what it is doing, and this is only the fiftieth ********ing time I've said this!

    Anyways... the meeting between managers and the head of officials should be taking place pretty soon, a matter of hours now.
    Maybe something will come of that? I don't know.
    I think it was a mistake to keep pitch-side monitors out of prem VAR, but what are you going to do.
    Maybe that's one of the things they can most-quickly fix? Or maybe we wait until next season.
     
  7. delaynomo

    delaynomo Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
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    I am amazed there are only 50 voices in there .........
     
  8. delaynomo

    delaynomo Member+

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    In this unique case it's actually a very subjective call depending on where you say shoulder ends and arm begins.
     
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  9. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

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    #734 EruditeHobo, Nov 6, 2019
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    It seems to have much more to do with VAR deciding when the ball is kicked... but either way, okay, I'm generally fine with that interpretation. All I really meant was that considering the tech that they used, their assessment pointed to Bobby's shoulder slightly ahead of the defender's knee, and when I took a look, close as it was, it seemed plausible that was the case. And if that is indeed true, the call was the right one by the law.

    If they improved VAR tech or changed the rule to somehow eliminate these crazy close calls (I don't know how they'd do this, but still) I'm very open to it.
     
  10. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

    May 3, 2002
    Orygun coast
    That call 'to me' looked like it was onside. Barely.
    But as I mentioned before, that photo is from a lousy angle. Had that photo been from square across the pitch it would have told the true result.
    Hobo is right here. The technology is still lagging and we need a clearer law to take the subjective 'guesswork' out of the equation.

    How????
     
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  11. delaynomo

    delaynomo Member+

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    When you get to the limit there will always be some subjectivity. Just like pre VAR. The difference is with VAR the limit is much finer and obviously wrong calls (a couple of inches or more) are objectively identified.

    For those that could still be called either way, just give advantage to the attacker.
     
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  12. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

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    Fine with me. It will be interesting to see how they do adjust from here.
     
  13. delaynomo

    delaynomo Member+

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    If you have to “redraw the lines” several times to come to a decision, that to me indicates too close to call.
     
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  14. zaqualung

    zaqualung Member+

    Jun 17, 2015
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    Along with the insertion above there are a couple of things at play in my comment on that one/two liner. ....
    I was only commenting on that statement or yours - not on your life biography or bibliography. It was meant as a humorous commentary on you and others getting what you apparently wanted - exactitude in calls being called correctly. It's not at the level of Monty Python's secret joke but it is humour.
    Here's why---
    Leaving aside that as Delay points out - for this scale of measurement, the closer you get, it may be too difficult for anyone to be making a definite call and should be ruled simply as "too close to call", but leaving that aside for a moment, we have to admit that there will be a spot another 40 or 60 millimeters into the same movement where if it were occurring at the point that VAR technology says is the point instead that the ball was kicked at, that it would then be (under intense scrutiny, mind you) an example of the most minimally recognizable certain offside imaginable,
    And that's where I find the humor - most people don't wants to see calls like that, even though they can now be made. But by instituting VAR we set ourselves up for having to stomach those calls. Not this particular one, because that is too close to call, but the next one, the one that is gonna be definable, but with no definable advantage gained by the offside player.

    If you wanted VAR I can't see how you can't have wanted that. And from there we diverge .....

    Meanwhile, for more light relief, here's a game where VAR won;t have been needed ...
     
  15. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

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    You have never demonstrated an understanding of what VAR does, or is aiming to do... so of course you think things like this.
    Even when it's very obviously not the case.
     
  16. zaqualung

    zaqualung Member+

    Jun 17, 2015
    San Francisco
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    I'm pretty sure I know what VAR does. (I wish I didn't.) What it's aiming to do, I will grant you I have wayyy lesser knowledge than you, and have never particularly sought to find out, nor care to find out .... It is, after all, as I was at pains to point out to you, not a general plebiscite view of what to do, merely the view of a bunch of select committees as to what to do/aim to do. Why we are even arguing about that, I don't know.
    It doesn't come down to us from some especially holy place. Just a holey place in some heads if you ask me.

    Anyway, I'm only interested in its effects and how they affect the spectacle. As, I would assume, are the hundreds of millions affected by the spectacle.

    I hold the same position on white supremacy and the Khmer Rouge, or on the statement by the Party of the People on how the water in Flint Michigan got satisfactorily fixed. No interest in becoming an expert on what they aspire(d) to do - only in setting the record straight on what they are/were doing..... insofar as I can ascertain facts about what is real. One doesn't have to conduct a philosophical or exhaustively analytical study on these things in order to have a set of perfectly reasonable to utter opinions....
    This is true, whether or not there is some other guy on a website forum suggesting that you do have to become an expert.... As far as it goes, I'm an expert on watching football, most of us here are, and that should be good enough for an opinion on the desirability of what we are seeing here....
     
  17. zaqualung

    zaqualung Member+

    Jun 17, 2015
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    Used to be 51... I hummed you out....
    (i used Black Sabbath music.... suitably stentorian....)
    :cool:
     
  18. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

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    San Francisco, CA
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    Just once I'd like to have a back and forth with you without you bringing up some crazy shit... the Khmer Rouge, dude? ********ing really?

    But at least we agree -- you do not understand what VAR is trying to do. That much has been obvious for a long time, so let's leave it there. There's nothing else to go into here. I mean, I scanned your post and saw Khmer Rouge and just realized there's no reason to look any deeper, especially when I had already found a small point that we agree on. And better yet, it's the most important point. In a way, it's the only point that matters.

    Christ almighty I hope no insanely close VAR calls occur in the City match this weekend...
    Just a boring, old-fashioned 3-0 thumping in favor of the home side, please.
     
  19. zaqualung

    zaqualung Member+

    Jun 17, 2015
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    We agree on that I do not know in terms of its specific statement what it is trying to do ... in general terms that doesn';t matter as we all know what it is trying to do. But you will choose terms like understand ....
    Understanding it should be easy enough if I were to care that much about what a bunch of supernumeraries in the football world want to do to solve world offside hunger pangs...
    However, as you know, I don't ....:whistling: :whistling:

    Man - As far as it goes the underlined part is just begging for fate to hand us another Ederson - Mane type moment of "did he mean it or didn't he mean it" .... ;) ;)

    Anyway, wasn;t sure how far down you read fully there, but I was rather chuffed with this little aphorism on the matter....
    "It doesn't come down to us from some especially holy place. Just a holey place in some heads if you ask me."

    God. I kill me!
     
  20. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
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    Then you should probably just shut the ******** up about it, because all you're doing is making yourself look ridiculous.
    There's a nickel's worth of free advice.
     
  21. zaqualung

    zaqualung Member+

    Jun 17, 2015
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    More like three cents worth.... and undoubtedly a matter of opinion.... It would have been edifying for you to read the groovy bit about the Khmer Rouge that you fled from (as everyone in Cambodia should have from the real thing) above, where the obvious notion that leaps out is that no-one needs to be an expert or recall all they ever read to retain the gist of what was fundamental and true.....

    By your methodology, practically no-one on the planet would be qualified to discuss anything without facing the glowering Hobo-fury of the claim "you haven't read the rules or properly studied the entire Row C of the 6th floor or Library # 5 on Communism!!".

    Onward to Sunday when we get screwed in the 94th minute because AOC didn;t shave and scores with his offside beard ..
    But all that aside - I'm Looking forward to this one!!

    Here's one where they DO NEED VAR!!

    jeez... thes guys should take up ice-hockey.....
     
  22. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

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    I'm not reading that. Let's move on.

    We'll see if there's some VAR decisions tomorrow.
     
  23. burning247

    burning247 Member+

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    Sep 16, 2000
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    We should rename this thread that.
     
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  24. newterp

    newterp Moderator
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    Jun 6, 2007
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    :ROFLMAO::thumbsup:
     
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  25. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

    May 3, 2002
    Orygun coast
    And here we go again. Shefield denied a goal against Spurs for this. VAR photo.
    Eric Dyer's knee, shoulder and arm vs hand.

    image.jpg
     

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