Christian Pulisic at AC Milan

Discussion in 'Yanks Abroad' started by Balerion, Jun 30, 2014.

  1. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    Wouldn’t most of us agree with that? Arguably Dempsey did that, at least for one season.:) And Brian McBride and Claudio Reyna did all right in the EPL. I just assume that when and if other Americans show that they are good enough, that will happen, as it has for a long time for .american keepers I think CP’s success will mean that any vestigial bias against American field players will whither away.

    I do think people tend to overstate the gap between EPL and the other top European leagues, but that’s an argument for another day.

    PS. He does not have a realistic option to decline a call up to his national team when that team is as completely f’d up as it is right now.
     
  2. ebbro

    ebbro Member+

    Jun 10, 2005
    "Should" being the operative word here.
     
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  3. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    Small caveat: Chelsea just had one of their easier league stretches they will face all season:
    last 4 league games:
    Watford 20 (A)
    Burnley 14 (A)
    NUFC 15 (H)
    Soton 18 (A)
    Great to get 3 points in all those away games, but still not exactly facing the creme. Next stretch to Xmas is a bit more interesting but still not too bad. Some good home opportunities for CP to show his stuff. Should enter the New Year in decent shape.
    Palace 8 (H)
    Citeh 2 (A)
    W Ham 13 (H)
    Villa 16 (H)
    Everton 17 (A)
    B'mouth 7 (H)
    Spurs 11 (A)
    (I think that's the league line-up. Did it fairly quickly.)
     
  4. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    "In the squad and available." (Kante was on the bench v Ajax.)
     
  5. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    But we have, you know, real life examples of this. Lots of US players have had chances in EPL/Bund, even Ered and Ligue 1. Some make the most of it, some don't. MM's minutes with Chelsea did not transform him. A few solid seasons the Ered seem to have refined the parts of his game that were already good. Jozy, Benny, Reyna, DMB, Cameron, LD, et al were not magically transformed by playing in the EPL. They may have refined aspects of their game - increased their skill set and mind set incrementally, but it ain't magic beans and plenty of US players, from Kirovski to Edu to Shea to... have not been able to raise their game to meet the challenge.

    The football market has lots of artificial barriers, but in toto, across an entire career, most player's level turns out to actually be, in a wide range, their level.
     
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  6. HScoach13

    HScoach13 Member+

    Nov 30, 2016
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    I think he got called up by France this window and Lumpy was not happy about it.
     
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  7. smokarz

    smokarz Member+

    Aug 9, 2006
    Hartford, CT
    He's gonna return damaged goods.
     
  8. ebbro

    ebbro Member+

    Jun 10, 2005
    Besides this, you don't just get given a chance. CP earned this chance by performing everywhere he's been - youth BVB, BVB, youth Nats, and full Nats.
     
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  9. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
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    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #29084 EruditeHobo, Nov 8, 2019
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    I wouldn't anticipate a somewhat lateral move like that... I don't even think Chelsea can/will spend the ~120M to get the player.
    But I guess it's not impossible. We'll see what happens.

    I think of clubs like United and City as far more likely to land him.
     
  10. striker

    striker Member+

    Aug 4, 1999
    IMO, Liverpool also needs better quality depth in the attacking third. That's one major difference between Liverpool and MC.
     
  11. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    Enchanced reality?
     
  12. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    You have to learn to ignore the press.

    A month ago Pulisic wasn't garbage. Right now he's not World Class.

    They exaggerate in their articles to get clicks. It's their nature to be bipolar.

    You don't have to be.
     
  13. Casper

    Casper Member+

    Mar 30, 2001
    New York
    Don't forget the show he put on at the World Cup...
     
  14. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    People all over this thread were saying he should ask for a loan... the press has very little to do with it.
     
  15. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Member+

    Feb 11, 2002
    Jupiter, Fl.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    What have you been imbibing the last 2 years to think we're going to beat Canada easily without him?:cool:
     
  16. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    From everything I've seen of Puli, I don't think he's ever going to refuse a call.

    Kid loves the shirt, but far too often ends the game looking depressed.
     
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  17. jond

    jond Member+

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    Or in reality there was like a random poster or two.
     
  18. ebbro

    ebbro Member+

    Jun 10, 2005
    Maybe not "all over the thread," but more than one or two suggested it.
     
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  19. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
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    Liverpool FC
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    United States
    #29094 EruditeHobo, Nov 8, 2019
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    Just searching this thread for "loan" has something like 8-9 different posters bringing it up as if it's somewhat realistic. That's a 30 second glance, so there's probably more than that using different language... but either way, that's completely beside the point being made.

    That kind of whiplash, from people on every other page saying he should ask for a loan to the temperature in here now, that has nothing to do with the tabloid sporting press.
     
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  20. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
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    Los Angeles Galaxy
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    United States
    I made a joke about loaning him back to BVB. Does that count?
     
  21. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
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    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I didn't count the jokes.
     
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  22. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
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    Los Angeles Galaxy
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    United States
    The loan talk was retarded because clubs don't loan out players they purchase for 75 million bucks after a couple bad months. Even after a bad half of a season. That player will at least get a full season to figure it out, and probably more unless he's a total disaster, which Pulisic never was.
     
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  23. Noriega7

    Noriega7 Member

    Newcastle United
    Dec 27, 2017
    #29099 Noriega7, Nov 8, 2019
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    People bringing the loan issue was always based on if CP couldn't get enough playing time "by January" and I personally believe there were a chance of it happening if CHO or either Pedro had performed better thus gluing CP into the bench for longer.

    Lampard wasn't going to play him much beside cup-games, unless he started producing either goals/assist in his sub-appearances..in which CP eventually did after 2 small-minute sub appearances......

    Lampard currently doesn't play Pedro or CHO because Willian and CP are in form and keeping their competition on the bench....Lampard doesn't do much rotation and stick with whoever is in-form.

    As u can see, now it's Pedro who may get transferred or loaned elsewhere....Don't be surprised if CHO's people started making noise if he can't get a run on the squad by January...Just like Pulisic people were getting angry at Lampard because their guy couldn't get in the starting-11 a month ago.

    The good news is CP made a few good bench appearances to change a few matches and than the hattrick which changed everything.

    Before all this, CP was definately not that thrilled after he spent a month not playing at all and mentioned how Lampard wouldn't tell him what he needed to do during an interview.

    I believe CP's agent was going to force a loan if his situation didn't change and I would had fully supported it..But I'm glad CP's playing now, so no need for a loan anymore.
     
  24. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    I totally forgot Pedro was still at Chelsea. His success at Barcelona and for Spain feels like a million years ago.
     
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