I'm assuming he meant giving the ball away on the break with a poor pass/ decision, not where he was defending at the end. Yeah, he made a poor decision and pass, but a lot happened after that to result in the goal and it certainly can't be entirely on him.
How about he gets through 1 season being consistently productive before we start talking about the future move to a European superclub?
Chelsea has never been a superclub as far as I'm concerned... but if they ever were, the label certainly doesn't apply right now.
Yup. Stats without context are useless. Right now, and hopefully going forward, Pulisic is the danger man. High risk high reward although he is smoothing out some of the risk by improving his defensive skill set, ie tracking back. Messi as per sofa score is averaging about 20 possession lost in his last three champions league games, of course he is weighting it with like a gazillion key passes a game but the point is even the best attacking players in the world are going to lose it in bunches when taking risks. Willians/Pedro numbers are better but they don’t create. Still I thought that goal was partially on him, Tomori made the tackle but CPs defensive responsibility just picked it up because he was trotting.
Yeah, you're right... let's talk about him being on the bench at Madrid and Barca more. Riveting speculation.
Don't be daft. He's good enough to never play at Barca. But there's no way he's good enough to ride the bench at Madrid.
This is one of the many moments I imagine our conversations taking place in a bar after a match where everyone can see faces and hear inflections and realize most of us aren't coming at this as hard as virtual print makes it seem. Anyway: Speculation is part of the fun of these threads, but then so is pushing back on speculation. Both are allowed, but try to keep the focus on CP and not on the poster, please.
The kid is good. Still got a long way to go, but that’s exciting since he’s already pretty damn good.
The messi compasion is terrible...yes, messi loses the ball a lot but I bet 100 dollars he wins a much larger % of his take-ons and creates twice as many chances as CP "per 90 minutes"..I'm sure no one will argue this. So this is not so much about getting dispossessed a lot..it's about whether he balances his lost-balls with enough dribble past defenders and creates a lot of chances per game or per 90 minutes. While CP has clearly won his spot in the starting eleven, Chelsea will be bringing better wingers starting next summer or even this January since there's a small chance their transfer ban will be removed....Guys like Sancho, Dembele and Zaha will probably soon be CP competition instead of Pedro, Williams and Adoi. All these guys are known to win a large % of their take-ons and have a greater margin between their "Take-on win%-chances created" in compare to their "lost-balls" and "bad touches". What does that mean?...CP will have to improve his ball-possession and win a larger % of his take-ons + create much more chances by making the right passes more consistently.
If Messi is the benchmark, almost everyone ever fails. Chelsea is not signing three new expensive wingers next summer. One would make sense if they lose someone. If Pedro AND Willian move on, maybe two, but probably one. Upgrading at one or two defensive positions and/or adding one stud midfielder makes more sense.
I did not originally brought up Messi name..Someone did....But Messi does not have to be in the discussion since guys like sancho, Zaha and Dembele are currently better than CP in this area. Unless CP can keep scoring goals at his current pace, he'll have to improve there. Chelsea will go after the best in the world...Sancho is already being lined-up and I'm sure many more will be targeted. I'm as big a CP fan as anyone on there but anyone who thinks he doesn't have to improve in this area of his game, are crazy...He's not at Newcastle..He's at a big club who will try to bring the best attackers every transfer windows.
Just a spot on great post. Comparing CP to Messi is perfectly fine IMO... especially when you clearly state that Messi is the gold standard. With respect to the transfer ban... they just spent a ton on CP and Odoi.... I guess I could see them bring in a single winger.... but it makes a ton more sense to spend big dollars on D.
Did you miss this part of the post you quoted?... "of course he is weighting it with like a gazillion key passes a game but the point is even the best attacking players in the world are going to lose it in bunches when taking risks."
I was really responding to the guy who originally brought Messi into this discussion to prove the point that Messi loses the ball as much as CP. Again, this is not about dispossession/bad passes that leads to goals, it's about the margin between your dispossession and chances-created + take-on success rate... No one cares whether an attacker loses the ball 20 times a game..as long as he creates twice as many goal-scoring chances or scores a lot of goals himself. Right now, CP goals are the reason Lampard will ignore his dispossession and I agree with him
Hazard arrived at Chelsea at age 20-21 during the 2012-2013 season. In his first full year at Chelsea, in all competition, he scored 13 goals and set up 22 goals...Whatever his dispossession and lost-balls rate was, he surely made-up for it with a lot of goals/assist.... So at CP's current age, Hazard was already producing a lot and simply kept improving to World-class status. If CP can get near Hazard first-year production at Chelsea at age 20-21, I'll be very happy..10 goals and 10 assist in the Premiere league would be a very good first year for CP. Prior to coming to Chelsea, Hazard while at Lille/France, was regarded much higher than CP at Dortmund. At age 20, during his last year with Lille, he scored 22 goals and 20 assist in all competition...this won him the move to Chelsea...I remember Wenger/Arsenal battling with Chelsea for his signature. So even at CP's current age, Hazard was already well-established...He did have a slow start with Chelsea but got better as he played more.