Doing a men's college club game Saturday, AR1. Referee is a up and coming young referee, still in college himself. Visiting coach is frustrated by some of the referee's decisions. The coach finally says to me "If he's the next generation, we are doooooomed!" I said, "Same generation you are coaching, coach." One red, seven yellows. The red was for flipping off AR2 over a ball in or out decision. After getting red carded, the player repeated his gesture.
In the handshake (i guess fist bump?) line after a very chippy B14 game where the winning team got 6 yellows and a red for a 2YC, a player on the winning team, on a yellow, turns to his teammate behind and says "watch this" and goes to fist bump me but says "sike" and pulls his hand away. Are you doing anything here?
All about expectations--AYSO, for example, expects the refs to monitor the players' handshake line, and the players typically then come by the refs. (But I don't do fist bumps, open hands only--one less risk for something stupid.)
Must be a state by state thing, in Maryland i've done maybe 2 games where there wasn't a handshake line, and those were high level U19 games.
I would expect teams to line up to shake hands. I just don't need to be a part of it. It's not an expectation around here.There are some teams who seek out the referees to shake hands, but those are the exception. In most youth games you need signatures on game cards, so referees will hang around to get those. But we don't get in the middle of handshakes or fist bumps.
The worst ones are when the players are told they must go shake the refs hands. They kids don't want to interact with adults anyway, and now they're forced to try to act nice, even if they think you're the worst ref they've ever seen. Lots of sullen faces and no eye contact as they "thank" you.
Reminds me of a situation a fellow parent told me about -- in the handshake line, a player spit in his hand, then held it out to shake. Red card, yes?
Heard an absolute gem as I was AR2 on a U16/17 boys DA match this past Saturday. I raised my flag for offside after an attacker played the ball to his teammate in an offside position. While on its way to the offside player, the ball deflected off of a defender. The coach sees my raised flag and proceeds to yell at the referee that "The offside rule changed six months ago! On a deflection, the AR must keep his flag down! This is the only field that we have been to that the referees haven't called it that way!" Where do these people come from?
Yes, but..... I frequently used to hear players claiming that the other team was spitting on their hands before the hand shakes. Never actually saw anyone spitting, however. Goalkeeper gloves, however, ……...
And then there was the time Charlie got accused of spitting on his hand. Nope, his hand was wet from the ice pack he had on his leg after a minor bump.
Boys varsity district quarterfinal. White right back goes down in a challenge, his team holds onto the ball a few seconds and they lose it in midfield. He's still down in his own half of the field, looked like he's going to be getting back up, but does not, because the other team are attacking. No serious injury, no head injury, we play on. As I run by him, he pounds the turf and yells "Stop the f**** game!" (of course, he used the full word). I am a little shocked and thinking if I actually heard what I heard. Within seconds, ball goes out for a corner kick. I stop the clock and immediately start walking towards him, seeing as he's injured and thinking what do I do with this. Well, he helps me out a lot. As I walk towards him, he gets up and is walking away from play and everything and just yells out "f*** you man". Don't think it was to me, don't know who it was to, does not matter. Red card. I put it in this thread because you should REALLY know a lot better than to yell out words like this in a game of this magnitude for you - district play offs no less, when you're a senior. So I was seriously shocked to hear him not control himself not once but twice.
Trying to figure out your description, and it sounds like you may have gotten the call wrong. Depends on if the defender purposely made an attempt on the ball and it deflected or if he was just in the way and it hit him. Either way I think I would have kept my flag down longer.
He was very careful with his wording. "Deflects". No mention of "attempted to play the ball". Flag goes up.
Yeah -- if someone's seriously hurt, maybe "Stop the f*** game!" is worth overlooking. (I came really close to yelling something like that once when I was coaching and a player went down after a hard shot to the head, and the young ref wasn't paying attention.) But this clearly wasn't that situation.
That's why I responded with the play from the Toronto v. New England game. My recollection was there was a fair amount of discussion about that play here, and the distinction between the defender playing/misplaying the ball and the ball deflecting of a defender. The coach is wrong that deflection does not reset off side. But, a deliberate play of the ball, whether successful or not, does. That may have been the reason the coach thought the rule changed, and something referees need to be aware of.
When was it, like around 2013 when a deliberate play on the ball by a defender (even if muffed) was codified in Law 11? (I'm too lazy to look it up at the moment.) That was an "entertaining" season with many coaches having not read the changes to the Laws and screaming their heads off...
I guess my point was, it sounded like the flag was up, then it deflected off the defender on its way to the offside attacker. Seems like it may have been up a touch early. I have been very careful as AR to wait and see that it is definitely going to be played by the person in offside position.