2019 FIFA U-17 World Cup: USA vs. Senegal 10/27 4:00 ET

Discussion in 'Youth National Teams' started by ussoccer97531, Oct 24, 2019.

  1. comoesa

    comoesa Member+

    Aug 13, 2010
    Christen Press's armpit
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Playing a smaller midfield that doesn't compete physically against an African team never bodes well.
     
  2. dougtee

    dougtee Member+

    Feb 7, 2007
    i didn’t think they looked physically overwhelmed until they conceded which honestly is even worse
     
  3. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

    Oct 14, 2010
    Southern California-USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I never saw Yow play until today and frankly, I thought I was looking at the wrong player. Somehow, lots folks or maybe it was just one that continuously repeats that he is a baller. I can see the upside of Reyna, Pepi, and Busio, the rest are at their age level of play.
     
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  4. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Yow didn't give up the 4 goals. That was on our cb's who were slow and unathletic imo.
     
  5. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Sunil interviewed the guy responsible for Japanese development but the guy didn't meet our language requirement because he doesn't speak Japanese.
     
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  6. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    We'll get to test your hypothesis when Japan plays Senegal.
     
  7. Thundering165

    Thundering165 Member+

    North Carolina FC
    United States
    May 1, 2017
    Raleigh
    Japan’s midfield actually battled really well today. They played some ball winners and relied on their two forwards to create scoring chances.
     
  8. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    -----------reyna + 1
    --------------busio
    -------x--------------stroud
    -------------levya
    ----x-----x--------x-----x
    ------------gk: Las
     
  9. comoesa

    comoesa Member+

    Aug 13, 2010
    Christen Press's armpit
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My hypothesis is more that Leyva and co. didn't compete physically not that they are weaker.. I'm sure the Japanese mids will do better in that regard (they will foul liberally).
     
  10. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    #285 Excellency, Oct 27, 2019
    Last edited: Oct 27, 2019
    I didn't see Japanese fouling. What I saw was an ability to concentrate numbers around the ball. Did the Japanese foul a lot? vs Netherlands it was 18J to 15N fouls per FIFA.
    https://www.fifa.com/u17worldcup/ma...a-of-japan-defends-ian-maatsen-of-netherlands

    Each team had 1 yellow and no red cards.

    Japan fouled once every 5 minutes and Holland fouled once every 6 minutes. Holland had 60% possession to 40% for Japan. Japan won the ball and played. Netherlands looked like "pros" passing the ball around the back from one side to the other as they piled up the possession stats. Yipee-doo-dah.
     
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  11. Caulfield

    Caulfield Member

    May 31, 2004
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Where are the athletes? Oh....they have all been run off around 9-10 years old by know it all youth soccer coaches up to their eyeballs in coaching licenses trying to convince a kid to give up every other sport to focus on soccer.
     
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  12. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Member+

    Feb 11, 2002
    Jupiter, Fl.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yet another disappointing performance from a US team.

    Start like a house of fire and then get played out of the game as it goes on.

    More glacially slow purposeless possession.

    Another bunch of guys unable to make a hard tackle.

    Another poor response to adversity.
     
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  13. bballshawn

    bballshawn Member+

    Feb 5, 2014
    Delaware
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Berhalter implemented his meaningless possession philosophy it seems. Wish we would play to score goals not play to keep the ball for the longest time. Glad I fell asleep at the half
     
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  14. comoesa

    comoesa Member+

    Aug 13, 2010
    Christen Press's armpit
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My original post was just my prediction. Senegal is too athletic for Japan to try to win the ball cleanly consistently.
     
  15. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    So you are saying Senegal will win the ball off Japan clean consistently. I don't think so but we'll see how your theory plays out.
     
  16. Peretz48

    Peretz48 Member+

    Nov 9, 2003
    Los Angeles
    There has been discussion about Kobe playing at LB, because that clearly is his natural position. However, this entire cycle he's been at LCB because of the paucity of capable CBs. Also, there is a sense of him being better able to marshall long balls from the CB position. As poorly as the U.S. played Kobe's passing skill was noticeable by comparison. I'm really interested to see where he winds up in Europe.
     
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  17. sakibomb523

    sakibomb523 Member+

    Oct 13, 2009
    Orange County
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
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  18. chad

    chad Member+

    Jun 24, 1999
    Manhattan Beach
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not creating shots is the GGGGGG way.
     
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  19. Thundering165

    Thundering165 Member+

    North Carolina FC
    United States
    May 1, 2017
    Raleigh
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    Ridiculous. For all the talk about KHF's distribution it was worthless yesterday. You can see how the ball made it to the CMs (sometimes) and just died there. Possession is pointless if it's all in your own half.

    The average positions of our front 4 show signficant problems as well. Clearly we weren't getting enough width in the attack. That puts a great burden on the fullbacks to provide width and defensive cover.
     
  20. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    The replays weren't great, but Leyva was "out-athleted" here again. I think he also kept the guy onside. He misjudged his ability to defend a long ball against the Senegal player. If the ball went over his head, and the Senegal player had a clear path to catch up to it, he had no chance of catching the player. I see some questioning Las not doing the sweeper-keeper thing where he journeys 45 yards out of goal to try to clear the ball. He could've come out for the play, but I think it was probably a smart decision not to.

    We gave up a goal, but it probably could've been a lot worse, if he did. The goal-kick bounced pretty nicely to the Senegal player. The goalie would've had to travel about 45 yards from goal to clear the ball. I think the Senegal player would've gotten there before the keeper. Do we want him taking a red card and then he's not available against Japan? No, of course not. He also made the initial save, but KHF made a lazy recovery run. He was in position to clear the second ball after the save, but probably just assumed the first shot would go in, so he stopped running. That allowed another Senegal attacker who was following it up (Kobe wasn't) to put in the rebound.

    I find it hard to put this on either Las or KHF. They were put in terrible positions to begin with by Leyva. It was a dumb play by Leyva. You absolutely cannot create a breakaway. I'm a fan of Leyva's ability, but he looked way over his head in this game, as you alluded to, and many thought might happen
     
  21. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    Yes, and we've known this before qualifying even started. This is tracking as the worst age group since '96. None of us to see us beat like this, but we shouldn't believe this is indicative of the youth program struggling.
     
  22. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    Really? What results have you seen in the past 3-4 years that makes you think otherwise? They consistently get bossed against half-decent teams. They struggle to score goals, there are holes down the middle of the field at CB and CM. There's a lack of offensive difference makers, the team is poorly coached, the squad selection is abysmal, the team lacks top-end talent, there is no bench depth.
     
  23. David Kerr

    David Kerr Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Leyva did not keep him onside All of the players were in Senegals half at the time of the ball being kicked.
     
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  24. Pl@ymaker

    Pl@ymaker Member+

    Feb 8, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Blame that on bad coaching. These players aren't the best of the player pool. This team lacks creative offensive players and players who are good at passing. Busio, who was picked over a few good players, created very little yesterday and had too many incomplete passes. In 2017, players like Mendez, Ledesma, and Soto, weren't even called up for the U17 World Cup, yet many believed that those called up were the best of their age group. I'm not writing off this age group, I know that they're just as talented as the last. We need to do a better job of hiring coaches.
     
  25. TarHeels17

    TarHeels17 Member+

    Jan 10, 2017
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    45 yards is quite the stretch. The Senegalese player's first touch was inside the box. It's on other players but if Las made the right play it would have been a throw in.
     
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