June 2019 Democratic Primary Debates - pre game/pbp/post game thread

Discussion in 'Elections' started by Boloni86, Jun 26, 2019.

  1. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
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    Dec 9, 2012
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    For the purposes of persuasion I will presume good faith until explicitly demonstrated otherwise. I would hope that you or anyone else would extend me the same courtesy when we disagree.
     
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  2. ElJefe

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    Feb 16, 1999
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    I'm not interested in whatever half-baked theories you care to give the world. I'd simply like an answer to the very fundamental question of why one person's vote in one state should be worth three times the vote of a person in another state.
     
  3. The Jitty Slitter

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    Why do you hate America?
     
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  4. stanger

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    Nov 29, 2008
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    One of the reasons I still post in here is because some of the topics make me challenge my own opinions.

    While playing around on the topic at hand on google, I came across this article

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/how-fair-is-the-electoral-college/

    Interesting stats some of you might not be aware of. Not necessarily changing my mind on anything but seeing the underrepresentation of our four most populated states certainly caught my eye.

    Beats calling people racist [emoji23]
     
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  5. stanger

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  6. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Jul 23, 2004
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    This is why i like NZ's mixed PR system

    Your overall standing in the house reflects the exact % of the vote you got.

    That means there is no benefit in gerrymandering the districts which is what used to go on all the time in the FPTP system
     
  7. Dr. Wankler

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    Reported.
     
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  8. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
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    When you have made the attempt as often as I have, come back and let me know how that went.
     
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  9. MatthausSammer

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    It's usually rare that a single discussion of an issue can bring about a wholesale shift in one's position, but I certainly hope I've helped you see it in a new light.
     
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  10. stanger

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    Nov 29, 2008
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    I’m certainly more willing to talk with you than I am with those that simply hurl wild accusations.
     
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  11. ceezmad

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    Matthaus probably refers to this part.

    But what people that want to base the election on popular vote forget this part.

    We do not pick the President based on a National vote, we pick a president based on 51 state/DC election that just happened to be on the same day.
     
  12. ToMhIlL

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    Hooray for reading comprehension! YAAAAY! They don't learn ya too good in Ohio, huh?

    No, my beef is exactly what I said in the original post. The timing of the primaries, and how certain states like Iowa and New Hampshire have a lot more influence than the others.

    But that's OK. Unlike El Jefe, I won't complain that somehow your vote in a swing state is more important than mine. My state will always be blue, so we don't have anything to worry about. I just hope that this time, all the struggling factory workers in places like Youngstown will understand that no matter what, some con man from New York City will never, ever do anything for them, no matter how many Muslims he promises to kick out of the country.
     
  13. stanger

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    Nov 29, 2008
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    FYI, Mahoning county, where Youngstown is located, voted Clinton.

    So maybe they don’t need someone from the big city to tell them anything.
     
  14. JohnR

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    Jun 23, 2000
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    El Jefe's argument does not involve whether a state is swing or not.
     
  15. dapip

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    1187125961801662464 is not a valid tweet id
     
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  16. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    What a disgrace she turned out to be. I place her in the Lipinski camp -- the two Democrats who should be primaried out of politics.
     
  17. MatthausSammer

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    There's a dude in Hawaii who people think has a real shot working on that right now.
     
  18. ElJefe

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    Feb 16, 1999
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    Correct. My complaint also applies to the very blue state of Vermont, whose population is not that much greater than Wyoming's. If someone else wants to have a go at why Vermont should be overrepresented compared to New York, its next-door neighbor, have at it.
     
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  19. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

    Feb 12, 2005
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    Better skiing?
     
  20. ceezmad

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    Should States have 2 Senators each?

    This was debated and the bicameral Congress was the compromise, but like everything, just because it has always been that way, it does not mean it should always be that way.

    The 12th amendment changed parts of article 2 of the constitution, we can always amend the constitution again to circumvent the states in terms of electing the President and Vice president.
     
  21. ceezmad

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  22. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
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    BTW, did anyone know that Tim Ryan was running for President?


    Well he was, until today.
     
  23. Funkfoot

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    May 18, 2002
    New Orleans, LA
    I didn't even know who he is.
     
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  24. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Tom Steyer is 6th on the poll list? :laugh:
     
  25. Funkfoot

    Funkfoot Member+

    May 18, 2002
    New Orleans, LA
    I cringe when I imagine what a Biden v Trump debate would be like. Two blathering dotards who wander off in the middle of a sentence...
     

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