USA vs. Canada, 10/15/2019 [R] - Post-Mortem

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by schrutebuck, Oct 15, 2019.

  1. MarioKempes

    MarioKempes Member+

    Real Madrid, DC United, anywhere Pulisic plays
    Aug 3, 2000
    Proxima Centauri
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He's far from our most accomplished player ever. Sheesh. He has not done what Clint Dempsey has done. And frankly, he hasn't done what Landon Donovan has done.
     
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  2. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    So did Fonz. Did you see him dive and claim foul after McKennie over-took him in the open field with superior speed and pick him clean?

    You have to know when to let go of the ball. That goes for any young player. Pulisic never learned that at Dortmund.

    Also, General Egg once again, with BS fannie boys chorus in full support, put Pulisic wide and asked him to drop too deep in defense when he should always be central, not far from the halfway line on defense, so he can take off on a bee line to goal. I've said it over and over again but it just doesn't sink in. Instead, we have this chimera of McKennie "arriving late in the box" from his General Egg dub10 position (where he is a poor defender) while Pulisic gets backed up wide.
     
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  3. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    here
    Answer: the number of time Jay's Brother's system put Puli in the position of having to dribble attack 3 to 4 defenders at midfield with no one ahead of him to pass to.
     
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  4. y-lee-coyote

    y-lee-coyote Member+

    Dec 4, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    Wondered how long it would take you to get there!!:rolleyes:
     
  5. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    somebody post pulisics numbers at dortmund- the goals vs bayern, winning the league over them, the cl games, assists, goals (while chelsea were in the europa leauge/crashing out of the group stage at best)...i just want to see him tie himself in knots defending the grossly overrated epl while also saying its too high a level for pulisic...who was at a better team than chelsea over the last decade. itll be cat-with-a-laser-pointer ridiculous, guaranteed...
     
  6. S.J. Jim

    S.J. Jim Member+

    Jun 11, 2006
    S.J.
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ream assisted on both goals. He literally gave the ball away twice to set up both of Canada's goals. You really can't be worse than that, as a defender.
     
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  7. grandinquisitor28

    Feb 11, 2002
    Nevada
    #732 grandinquisitor28, Oct 19, 2019
    Last edited: Oct 19, 2019
    My 23:

    Forward (2):

    Jozy
    Sargent

    Forwards/Wingers (6):

    Pulisic
    Weah
    Morris
    Arriola
    Llanez
    Reyna

    Central Mids (6):

    McKennie
    Pomykal
    Adams
    Holmes
    Ledezma

    Fullbacks (4):

    Dest/Gloster
    Cannon
    Lima
    Robinson

    Centerbacks (3):

    Brooks
    Miazga
    Richards

    Keeper (3):

    Steffen
    Horvath
    Gonzalez

    The 24-35

    Soto
    Mendez
    LLetget
    Morales
    Yueill
    Lewis
    Gooch
    K. Parks
    J. Green
    Araujo
    M. Robinson
    Long/Zimmerman

    Something like this. FTR, I recognize that I'd have to kind of view some of these kids as Double A guys, shuttling back and forth between the U23's and the senior team, but I'd not be replacing them w/stiffs, I'd be looking at options w/potential whether it's MLS guys like Toye or Ebobisse, or international's like Siebatcheu, and Nova etc. I would not be wasting spots on guys w/o a long term future unless they could be glue guys (like a Bedoya or a Morales in the midfield for instance), I'd rather take my lumps with guys like Robinson, Lima and Gloster than continually call in a Lovitz.










     
  8. grandinquisitor28

    Feb 11, 2002
    Nevada
    Burley's like the result of a soccer version of Skip Bayless, Colin Cowherd, and Stephen A Smith (when he's talking football) managing to have a baby.
     
  9. Poolasick

    Poolasick Member

    Manchester United
    Nov 16, 2018
    Grossly overrated EPL? Would you not say it is in the top 3 best leagues in the world? It was a clean sweep in Europeon club competitions for the EPL last season.
     
  10. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    There's something disquieting about having Jozy as our likely main striker going forward. He'll be 32 in Qatar.
     
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  11. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    it was a poor choice of words. most annoyingly overrated.

    over the last 8 or so years spain has dominated, and germany has been far more successful in both cl and el. yes, epl teams are finally actual powers again, but what was it three, four years ago they had zero teams in the cl knockout round?

    so sure, top 3 in the world. theyve nosed back ahead of germany.

    all the "best" and "greatest" superlatives are misleading- the epl is the richest league in the world. THATS their only dominance.
     
  12. nbarbour

    nbarbour Member+

    Jun 19, 2006
    Washington DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ignore the troll. He is all strawman arguments, moving goalposts, counterfactuals, focusing on irrelevant data points, etc. All out of the troll handbook.
     
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  13. grandinquisitor28

    Feb 11, 2002
    Nevada
    A lot can happen in the next three years, and I'd expect Jozy to be injured anyway.
     
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  14. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Well, today Pulisic didn't try to dribble the three defenders on him but actually lifted his head and made the correct pass.

    This is an important moment. He keeps doing that, he's going to get a lot more minutes with Chelsea and will start looking better with us against decent rivals too.
     
  15. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Puli has made the correct pass a number of times this season. That's why he's Chelsea's assist leader.

    Two strong Chelsea performances sandwiched between this NT crapfest is another strike against GGG. The evidence is overwhelming that our players play worse under GGG than with their clubs.
     
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  16. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    This is the first time he is surrounded by defenders and sneaks a pass after looking behind, to see who is coming in, which is the smart thing to do. So far he's been looking up front (when he looks) and seeing no one, tried to dribble through the mark.

    The other assists he got were easy lay-offs by comparison.
     
  17. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  18. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    here
    Someone will rise up. Sarge scored today. Others will come along.

    But first, we have to make it to Qatar. We won't with Jay's Brother managing.
     
  19. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    To the people clamoring for Morales: he didn't play, he's reported as sick. So he was injured for a month, played 20 minutes, and now is sick.

    To the people clamoring for Holmes: he played as a sub, he's been having muscle issues since April, quadriceps. From all reports he's not the same player he was last season.
     
  20. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not gonna take the time to dig up video but neither of these were simply layoffs if you watch the run of play.

     
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  21. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Several of our Yanks who looked poor during the international break have looked good today. Actually, this has been the best Saturday for Yanks Abroad in a long time. The interpretation can be left to subjective bias:

    "That they look good with their teams only proves how inept Egg is" or "that they look good means they got a good lesson from the NT," you can pick whichever fits your desired narrative best.

    He's passing forward, making the obvious (if not trivial) pass. Today he stopped, looked BACK and made the pass to the player on-rushing into the action. That is big, a player of Pulisic characteristics can be lethal if he learns to do that often, not doing the evident forward pass that can get blocked more easily, not trying to dribble between two or more players to get the space, but actually looking who is running from the middle.
     
  22. yurch10

    yurch10 Member+

    Feb 13, 2004
    Guess I missed when Dempsey and Landon played for top 10 in the worldish club teams.

    Im ignoring national team, bc he hasn't had a chance and he's 21. I think Messi is the best player ever, not Maradona because he won a world cup (don't know enough about Pele). Club football is where you make it happen. Nat sides is icing on the cake, as it's too random and reliant on your nation.

    On the club side, Pulisic is already our best, most talented, most accomplished player ever. He could retire now and he would be the only American that has played and succeeded for the world's best teams (not fulham, not Everton for a month, not psv). Sure it sounds like hyperbole, but it ain't. Sure I love Clint and Landon both, but they simply were not as talented. Sorry.
     
  23. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Yep, technicallty Puli is the best we have developed in the USA. Above Claudio Reyna and Hugo Perez (some will say part of his development was in El Salvador though).

    But individual technique is only like 25% of the game. There's the physical side, the team vision, and the mentality.

    IMO, today Puli gave a big step forward in the vision area. Otherwise, individual technique is where US players have always lagged the most, so being the best at it ever is not high praise.

    Puli still needs to learn to hide a ball and not let others just take it from his feet. That's a big weakness in individual technique.
     
  24. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Performance at a high league level is more important than simple club affiliation. And at club level, Pulisic accomplishments can't remotely touch those of Dempsey, Howard, Freidel, Jones, Dempsey, Hejduk, Beasley and Dooley.

    And at international level, Pulisic has been poor against Costa Rica and Mexico. Zero goals and zero assists. He did nothing against Canada. He has had opportunities at international level. Right now, he can't be compared to the aforementioned players plus Donovan.

    Pulisic is part of a talented and accomplished young cohort of players, including Weah, Sargent, McKennie, Dest, and Adams. Some of these guys have already played in UCL. At this stage of his career, these are the guys, Pulisic needs to be compared to. Leave the legends alone.
     
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  25. ipass

    ipass Member

    Jan 2, 2015
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    If we are going with another US coach, it should be Tab Ramos. At least his teams win and advance through tournaments, and if they don't, they play with grit throughout the game.
     
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