U.S. vs Canada 10/15/19 Nations Cup

Discussion in 'USA Men' started by Peretz48, Oct 15, 2019.

  1. Brock Hannsen

    Brock Hannsen Member+

    Feb 3, 2014
    Hartford, CT
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    We played pretty well considering the players out there.

    Steffen is a good keeper on an average club. He can block shots but doesn't organize a defense very well.

    Tim Ream is a below average player good for several mistakes per game.
    Yedlin is coming off of an injury and is an ok right back.
    Lovitz is a player I think only Berhalter knew existed. He's ********ing terrible.
    Long is OK, error-prone, but surrounded by a lot of garbage.
    Bradley has good instincts but too slow to execute on them anymore.
    McKennie is a still developing player with a great club situation, weighed down by Berhalter.
    Morris is a solid MLS player, which is saying he's ok.
    Pulisic can be world class, but struggling for minutes at club and not in the best form.
    Sargent is so young and learning and has lots of talent, but performances like this are to be expected.
    I had to remind myself that Roldan was on the field. He belongs nowhere near it.

    The manager sees himself as a svengali or some shit. He's just a dumbass in a v neck sweater.

    add it all up you gots yoself some garbage
     
    randomnoise, mace, CoachP365 and 2 others repped this.
  2. Dsocc

    Dsocc Member

    Feb 13, 2002
    Agree. Every US coach faces the same problem, which Berhalter somehow manged to exacerbate against Canada. Our players aren't technically proficient enough to overcome the pressure applied by more athletic competition. You can see it coming every time. They put us under constant pressure, and we simply concede possession or fail to win 50-50's, or worse still, play a terrible ball out of the back that puts an opposing player directly in on goal. We have players who can't play a good ball over 10 yards. We have players who can't receive a ball with a defender on their back, then turn and eliminate the defender. We have players who head balls away that they could have otherwise played.

    I've been willing to give Berhalter the benefit of the doubt. However, watching the Canada game (after he'd even said the priority was to win), I've come to the conclusion that he is simply too dogmatic to coach a team with this level of individual competency.
     
  3. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    i hope we have gotten all the arrogant bs about being too good for the region, too good for nations league, too good for canada, out of our system. bluntly, losing to mexico twice should have been enough. that alone should have triggered a "not good enough" response except for the first time in our recent history, it's become somehow proper to concede Mexico. well, now we see we're the worst in North America at the moment.
     
  4. Well, the only thing that really matters is how he sees his chances to make an impact in the Orange squad.
    Just being one on the "call when needed list" or one for the bench in a tournement isnot appealing at all.
    The USMNT looks bad at the moment, but that can change fast (if proper actions are taken) and he could talk Kik pierie into considering a swap, which would be a tremendous improvement in the back with his long range laser guided passes.
     
  5. Brock Hannsen

    Brock Hannsen Member+

    Feb 3, 2014
    Hartford, CT
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    lol people worried about dest as if he would have made much of a difference. oh no what if dest doesn't choose us?

    right back is the least of our problems.
     
  6. glutton4Bolts

    glutton4Bolts Member+

    United States
    Mar 18, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    IMO, Dest would be a fantastic add for this team.... He has serious pace, makes unique/timely runs and can actually shoot the ball from outside the box.... but after last night I don't see why he would ever want to play for a GB led USMNT again. I think that ship has sailed... why be anchored to it when you know it is going down.
     
  7. ebbro

    ebbro Member+

    Jun 10, 2005
    In fact he recently (within the last week or two) vocalized that he never considered Croatia.
     
    orcrist repped this.
  8. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

    May 30, 2010
    oakland
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Honestly I’d take a look at Dest as a CM. He’s featured there for Ajax at times (including UCL). With Adams injury I’d play Wes, Holmes and Dest over Bradley, Roldan and Wes any day of week and twice on Sunday.
     
  9. smokarz

    smokarz Member+

    Aug 9, 2006
    Hartford, CT

    would be nice to have Dest, but we'll still be fine without him.

    does anyone remember Rossi or that Gonzalez kid?
     
  10. smokarz

    smokarz Member+

    Aug 9, 2006
    Hartford, CT
    this team needs to get rid itself of the likes of Bradley, Roldan, Trapp, Zardes, Lovitz, and a few others before it can successfully able to move forward. and only a new 'outside' coach/regime would be able to do that.
     
  11. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's why you play him at left back, where he'd be an enormous upgrade over Lovitz, though I'm sure it would illicit plenty of whining too.
     
  12. Look, before one can throw out players one has to identify the replacers first.
    To do so you need a selection mechanism. You obviously arenot going to get A Dutch style amateur to pro club academy sifting mechanism, so the USSF has to set up a top down system with youth training/selection camps on a state base r a combination of that and club academies.
     
  13. Sam Hamwich

    Sam Hamwich Member+

    Jul 11, 2006
    it won't elicit much winning though.

    Hey coach I start for one of the best teams on the continent, that's not opinion. that's fact. Hey coach, I start as RB on that team, that's not opinion, that's fact. Hey coach, I start on one of the best teams in the content, as a right back in the champions league. That is a fact, not opinion.

    Beerholder: In my opinion, you are a left back and not better than FC dallas american prospect as a right back.

    Sure thing boyo. Let me know how your opinions work out as results.
     
    Brock Hannsen repped this.
  14. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    The notion that the US talent pool isn't deep enough to avoid nights like last night, or years like the past year, seems absurd to me.
     
    btlove and Sufjan Guzan repped this.
  15. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    I suspect the requirement bans anyone with a Spanish accent from ever becoming the USMNT coach.
     
  16. Umm I just play FIFA

    Barcelona
    Philippines
    Jan 11, 2018
    LA
    Nat'l Team:
    Philippines
    I’d like to see how he does with the ole boys at Borussia Arsenal
     
  17. Sam Hamwich

    Sam Hamwich Member+

    Jul 11, 2006
    Nothing absurd about it.

    The results point to a very simple fact: The US players plus coaching combinations are extremely poor.

    That is a fact. No need to over think it.
     
    Dsocc repped this.
  18. Dfwsoccer01

    Dfwsoccer01 Member

    Jun 23, 2014
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Well, since he tries to play like Messi by attempting to dribble through traffic, maybe he needs to read the book on how Messi overcomes his small stature against larger players. So yes, it’s possible to become a great player with his size, but everything I’ve seen, he gets dispossessed off the ball way to easily. It’s like with any sport, give teams the time and they will figure out how to contain you. If CP wants to be great, he has to unlock what it’s going to take to stay consistently good... not just one off games here and there...
     
  19. bostonsoccermdl

    bostonsoccermdl Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 3, 2002
    Denver, CO
    We have a tendency to forget how young and early in his career he is.
    He isn’t in his prime and Berhalter probably won’t be around that long. He shouldn’t be basing his decision on how we look now.
    That would be incredibly short sighted.
     
  20. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    You responded to something I didn't say by adding an ingredient. I think we probably agree about that ingredient.
     
    mace and btlove repped this.
  21. Sam Hamwich

    Sam Hamwich Member+

    Jul 11, 2006
    Beerholder?

    I'm not so sure. It's like saying ruined garlic ruined your already terrible spaghetti.

    His original idea for how to play was terrible. He next switch was even worse. You place donovan, dempsey, jones, dolo, edu, feilhaber, cameron and antiscore in the mix and he wins and looks better than Bradley ever did.

    But he can't, because their replacements are highly manicured garbage.
     
  22. Sam Hamwich

    Sam Hamwich Member+

    Jul 11, 2006
    I was wondering how ML$$occer.com was going to spin this loss.

    https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2019...ens-national-team-still-spinning-their-wheels

    Blame it on JK!

    @Bob Morocco , you think about a loss to Costa Rica IN costa rica quite a lot? Just so happens to be the Non-MLS coach? How about all those other losses in costa rica, such as the 3-1 thrashing Bob's team got? Or the losses Bruce Arena took?

    In fact do you think often about every match the US has ever played in Costa Rica: Because we've never won there.

    You seem to think an awful lot about Jk's losses, but somehow, never reflect too heavily on his very impressive wins, or the losses of other coaches under the same circumstances.

    I'm not a JK apologist, but I do respect the fact that he got closer/even to the Quarters than Bob Bradley did with less talent at almost every position, 10x more travel than their competitors, the eventual WC winner in the group and yes, he beat Ghana.


    We do agree on one thing: we need to ball win. We need to press. We need the very best players on the pitch,not just the MLS guys who pass to the Foreign stars in MLS.
     
  23. floydgator

    floydgator Member

    Chelsea
    United States
    Oct 15, 2019
    Dest would immediately become one of the top 2 or 3 players available to the USMNT and he is likely to only improve. Forget the position, we can't afford to lose that kind of talent.
     
  24. TopDogg

    TopDogg Member

    Jan 31, 2000
    Toronto
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    No they didn't.
     
  25. Frysk Bloed

    Frysk Bloed Member

    Sep 6, 2014
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    This aged well.
     

Share This Page