October Friendlies (Chile & Algeria)

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  1. Furnaccio

    Furnaccio Member+

    Feb 19, 2008
    New York, NY
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
  2. Furnaccio

    Furnaccio Member+

    Feb 19, 2008
    New York, NY
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
  3. villus

    villus Member+

    Jun 5, 2008
    I think if CQ is going to play with more defensive fullbacks he's going to need to play more offensive midfielders ie. James or Quintero. I think we do need a system we can play without James but with Quintero and James I don't really think we need to worry to much about it, one or the other should be available most of the time. If we do play more stay at home fullbacks then we need to play James/Quintero in the midfield and give them freedom to attack. We need balance, and with the way he's setting up the team when we had James/Cuadrado I think its a perfect balance, we shouldn't worry to much about a friendly when our best player was left at home, if going forward he is going to discard James and Quintero we should panic, but I don't think he'd keep the job for long if he does that.
     
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  4. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    If we are going to attack only with 3 players. And one of them is james or quintero....we will have problems too and duvan/morelos wont receive services in position where they are dangerous....james / quintero will be solution only if they are super inspired, and you cant hope that of olayers in matches.

    James/quintero will be wings in this formation in case quintero is called up. ....or if they play in midcamp they wont have a lot of partners to play in the attacking plane.

    If before we suffered the absnse of james despite getting important winnings with cardona and cuadrado without james......now we will suffered more to win in case of tneir absence because this coach doenst have the intention to replace james with players of his characteristics.


    This rigid systems, at long term will turn us more dependent on individualities.

    Queiroz havent better results in their teams than colombia had in the last 8 years...im not sure how he will success this time. We are talking of the same guy that failed with real madrid when were galacticos....
     
  5. kromekote

    kromekote Member+

    May 22, 2012
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Pepino, I'm curious when did you officially become a non believer with CQ. Because I'm still gathering more intel before I make that leap. I'm not in disagreement about a benched Arias being less than Medina but besides that but what other formation and or play would you think would fit the players we have today? I do think Arias will eventually win back a starting position come next year.

    What other established DT did you have in mind that could offer better more offensive futbol? DT that was available, that was affordable, that wanted to coach Colombia? Plenty of coaches fail in big shoes in every sport. But he also has plenty of pedigree in my book and he wanted the job. What would you do with what you have, sack the coach or let this play through? I see CQ trying to compensate for the proper left back, that's not his doing. Tesillo is all we have at the moment. Now with Mojica back maybe he'll challenge for the position. Fabra is still fighting for his position back in Argentina. The DFM duties he's given to Barrios, who is playing that part perfectly. He's adding box to box duties to Cuadrado and Yairo but any of these 2 have leeway to push up and through defensive blocks. We have Matheus as great alternative. Lerma can carry on for Barrios. I didn't like Roger's call up this time around based on all that negative noise back in Mexico but Borre's confidence can be streaky so who knows what you get sometimes with him. But those are adjustments that I'm ok waiting for him to make.

    When we counter, we don't solely due it with the 3 upfront although it does feel that way as the top 3 are closest to goal so that's going to be your quickest offensive trident. But I see plenty of offensive support right behind. It hasn't been a downward trend in my opinon. We've played some solid teams with some good futbol. The Brazil (1st half mainly) match was an example of a very well played, intense game where every player was up to the task. Copa America had some highlights as well. He's only had 4 official matches.
     
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  6. Furnaccio

    Furnaccio Member+

    Feb 19, 2008
    New York, NY
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Good points and well written Krome!

    My main complaint with CQ to date has only been his lineup choice for the Chile game. The way he was rotating players and doing subs made me think the reasonable move would have been starting Duvan and Arias against Chile, but CQ went down a road most of us here didn’t expect.

    I also don’t like Cardona’s exclusion from the team, but I think that may be behavioral related?

    Call up wise - I think the call ups are as good as it gets. I don’t think anyone is being frozen out at this time (James issue is another story for another time LOL). I certainly don’t think calling up 30+ players is a right move as CRZD would suggest.

    Until i start seeing triple and quadruple cincos, I don’t think any panic button should be pressed.
     
  7. kromekote

    kromekote Member+

    May 22, 2012
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Cardona's exclusion has been a sad occurrence but at this point we have to move on with what we got. I'll be watching the 5pm rebroadcast you posted. Did they sell off all the rights to Colombia's matches in US territories? Can't believe this is all PPV!
     
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  8. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia

    1. The fact “that there wasnt available a coach that was affordable, that wanted to coach Colombia......doesnt mean i cant complain about style and decistion of the new coach......that doesnt mean im a non believer or not.

    2.. Between Copa america and these friendlies there is a big difference, the style of the called ups changed too much.....if he will keep the style of copa in these friendlies i wouldnt get worried.....but he decides to remove a lot of talent minded players.....Not surprise you ignore these details.

    3, The fact that he doesnt called offensive/creative midfielders but wings that only offer speed......is disgusting for me......turning the team non james dependent doesnt mean that you dont have to called up other creative midfielders....just tell me that he is like that coaches that prefers physic over talent.

    4. The way that he is confortable with full backs that doenst offer attack but only horrizotal and vertical passes like Medina....tell me a lot of his style too.....in copa the match that we create more chances one to one was against paraguay, where arias and borja played. we had a lot of one to one situation, and actually the asists was from arias. It seems that he didnt like , maybe because paraguay also attacked us...but that tell me a lot of his priorities.

    5. This team reminds me a lot of to Pinto and Bolillo one, not service to our forwards in scoring position...not one to ones options.....all “shots and shots“ on targets were shots from far or difficult angles with at least 3 defenders of chile ahead, the clearest option was a “pelotazo“ of medina that he received and shot to goal outside the area, that isnt the service that we want for our forwards....and please stop that myth that chile is a solid team, because have been horrible this year excpet the matches agisnt colombia..........

    6. I agree brasil game was good and this way of playing is accurate against BRASIL, that clearly is a team that is BETTER than us in all lines especially in this match, that always attack. For that reason with Maturana, Lara, Pinto we had good matches agaisnt BRASIL, this conservative football and with the traditional good defense of Colombia could work. The reality is that against the other opponents of Conmebol and even in the world, colombia doesnt have to wait...our forwards always are “poachers“ that need a service or a good atacking volume to being dangeorus....

    7. with this rigid system james/duvan/muriel should make ALWAYS a geniality to score but wont arrive to easy with our combinantions.....because the other players played very far away......
     
  9. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    More than cardona exclusion is the exclusion of players of their characteristics......isnt a issue of name is of a style.
     
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  10. Furnaccio

    Furnaccio Member+

    Feb 19, 2008
    New York, NY
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I’m disappointed how friendlies in 2019 have to be broadcast PPV only. The feeds on Facebook and YouTube were terrible on Saturday.

    I didn’t mind the days when WCQ’s were on JumpTV, but friendlies?
     
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  11. Baal88

    Baal88 Member+

    May 10, 2008
    Medellin
    Club:
    Independiente Medellin
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Yes to everything pepino has said. Some of our best talents are central attacking midfielders and now we're suddenly only using wingers because the coach doesn't feel like using them? ******** that. If in the first game of the qualifiers I don't see Quintero or James (or both) starting I'm going to boycott his ass.
     
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  12. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Thanks, that is it. For me the work of a "seleccionador" is to select the best players for the national team....dont be able to put together them is just a failing to explote the best moment of them. It dont put together guarantee success it is a problem but we know this isnt the case
     
  13. Tio Nicci

    Tio Nicci Member+

    Nov 13, 2008
    Houston, Texas
    Club:
    Deportivo Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Gracias Faryd
     
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  14. Furnaccio

    Furnaccio Member+

    Feb 19, 2008
    New York, NY
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Con mucho gusto Alexi :)
     
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  15. villus

    villus Member+

    Jun 5, 2008
    Ya my point was we can't just attack with 3 players, that's what we were doing at times under Pekerman at the end and it was a disaster. I'm saying we use 4 attacking players at all times which we'll have enough balance for with 2 fullbacks. If it means James is in the midfield 3 or in the front 3 with Cuadrado as an 8 I think those formations are fine. I wasn't a fan of CQ getting hired because he's been too defensive in the past, but I liked how he lined us up in the Copa America when he used James and Cuadrado, but we need 3 attacking players and one of them at least needs to be James/Quintero + 3 so we always have at least 4 attackers and one of them is a brain. If we're not going to expect fullbacks to jump in a lot that's fine, but then we need to free up midfielders to be more attacking is my main point, so hopefully he's going to do that in the future.
     
  16. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    #266 pepinointer, Oct 15, 2019
    Last edited: Oct 15, 2019
    I have news for you . Queiroz decided to change from copa america . He anmounced in press conference and his called ups turn different (and not because the absende of james) . He excluded players with creative style that he include in pre copa america list and copa america list....so this is why im fear of the appeareance pf the first queiroz

    You cant say thay with pekerman we attacked with 3 at the end, with pekerman we attacked minimum with 4 (james, 9 , cardona/quintero, cuadrado) plus attacked with our fullbacks so were 6 in position when the team was attacked. . So two players more......also when aguilar /uribe played they had a lot of freedom..........the bench also had plenty of options..now you find wings and forward.....in a lot of matches we generated a lot of one to ones, and we had a lot of options in conrtable positions (with queiroz that happened just with paraguay)....obviusly the team in a lot of matches wasnt disorganized but that was also related with individual levels and other factors....like not work


    If pekerman at the end was a disaster, i want a match of queiroz like the poland one at least for example


    Ps: the tragedy of the match with england is that was the fiest time of use a triple 5....but that wasnt the only match before queiroz.

    Also he had a lot of mistakes overall that affect all the work of the team like the inclusion of sanhcez for two years when he was so slow and not dynamichs
     
  17. Furnaccio

    Furnaccio Member+

    Feb 19, 2008
    New York, NY
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
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  18. J-Mezzy

    J-Mezzy Member+

    Oct 14, 2013
    Orlando
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
  19. jay luis

    jay luis Member+

    Sep 14, 2013
    Corona, Nyc
    Club:
    Deportivo Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Yeah I’m not a fan of the line up . I really do hope he calls James and Quintero for the next games .
     
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  20. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Why called up 4 goalies if only Ospina is going to play..........?
     
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  21. Furnaccio

    Furnaccio Member+

    Feb 19, 2008
    New York, NY
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    hope we use all 6 subs very early in 2nd half.

    Lucumi, 3 GKs (pointless?), Ibarguen, Mr. Sinister plus Luis Diaz are likely to end up with minimal to no minutes of playing time over two games.

    Happy for Yairo. am curious to see let's see how he and Uribe work together at the same time.
     
  22. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Any good streams? Asking for a friend. Word!!!
     
  23. jay luis

    jay luis Member+

    Sep 14, 2013
    Corona, Nyc
    Club:
    Deportivo Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Ahh French Algerians stay classy
     
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  24. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: good times
     
  25. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Yairo for Queiroz is like the castrillon of Pinto....
     
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