Nations League A, Camp 1, Cuba/Canada, Oct. 11/15

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by thedukeofsoccer, Jul 23, 2019.

  1. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

    May 30, 2010
    oakland
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No it’s not but it’s the best 3G can seem to put out there.

    Not completely meaningless but yes against Cuba it is and the youth on home solid should have no issue dismantling them.
     
  2. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

    May 30, 2010
    oakland
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Unlikely
     
  3. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    i was joking via text w friends just now that sarge and pulisic may have to pick up the ball behind at least 2 central midfielders tonight than they get balls from those cms.
     
  4. smokarz

    smokarz Member+

    Aug 9, 2006
    Hartford, CT
    Really, does anyone take the NL games seriously?

    Somewhat glorified friendlies.
     
  5. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Morris and Roldan the width against an organized defense? If that's how they indeed setup, color me skeptical the US would break it down efficiently.

    Though I heard from the TSS boys Cuba is trying to implement a style like the US that doesn't adjust to the situation, and it's not a bunker. So maybe we'll see some open play where Morris especially could be creative enough in.

    Plus, Morris and Roldan have great on field chemistry playing w/ Seattle but they play opposite sides? Roldan has good chemistry with Lima too, but here we see Cannon start.

    In general I think that's counter-intuitive to play Pulisic in cm and Roldan wing. Pulisic likes to take people off the dribble, Roldan play longer balls/outlets. He's a little more defensive-minded too.

    Same thing with having Yueill protect against counters when McKennie is on the field. McKennie is more mobile and schooled as a d-mid. Yueill came up as a a-mid.

    I find a lot about the lineup to be counter-intuitive. Too many a's against Cuba and the Lovitz experience continues. Like Cuba may be though, it's more about implementing a preferred style to be effective long-term rather than the interim. Though I don't know how the former happens either at the senior NT level.
     
  6. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #781 rgli13, Oct 11, 2019
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    id say exactly as seriously as all star games when the winner gets homefield advantage in the world series. there technically ARE stakes, but to really effect us wed have to consistently be somehow worse than klinsmann playing guys out of position in steve sampsons 3-6-1 from a roster berhalter picked.
     
  7. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    I get the feeling the fix is in on Cannon as far as getting p.t. so he can get visa/contract abroad. His game is defensive and this would have been a good opportunity to see Lima in action taking baby steps.

    Also I would have played Arriola or Ream at lb instead of Lovitz and put another cb back there instead of Ream. What do we learn from having Lovitz go 90?
     
  8. dougtee

    dougtee Member+

    Feb 7, 2007
    good thing we have all these young players to cap on the bench to play cuba
     
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  9. Tifoso

    Tifoso Moderator
    Staff Member

    Juventus
    Italy
    Feb 24, 2007
    northern California
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    I want this W. Let’s go
     
  10. Tifoso

    Tifoso Moderator
    Staff Member

    Juventus
    Italy
    Feb 24, 2007
    northern California
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Going nicely :)
     
  11. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    So, against a bad Cuba we had a really good first half to follow it up with a slow second half. McKennie, Yueill and Morris had remarkable tempo in that first half. Nice to see but can't really take away anything when playing against Cuba.
     
  12. TOAzer

    TOAzer Member+

    The Man With No Club
    May 29, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It was direct from the mouth of the horse's ass.
     
  13. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Santa Cruz, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Human centi-horse?
     
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  14. glutton4Bolts

    glutton4Bolts Member+

    United States
    Mar 18, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think Cannon and Ream had good games too... but it is indeed hard to give a ton of credit against that opponent. What I will say is that Pulisic was underwhelming... giving the ball away several times. I am a huge fan but it was not a great showing. All the subs were pretty poor... Not a single earned goal (aside from the penalty) against that side? It does not make me feel great at all. Lastly, I am very upset that Sargent missed that last break-away opp... that is what a true number 9 needs to put away.... he had one blocked in the Bundisliga this past weekend too. I love his connection plays but he always seems to just miss his opportunities. At least he put one away. In short, the 1st half had me geeked and the 2nd half had me shaking my head. Pathetic way to finish the game.
     
  15. Peretz48

    Peretz48 Member+

    Nov 9, 2003
    Los Angeles
    Well, that was the throwaway game. Canada, in Toronto, will be much tougher. Canada now has some legitimate weapons. They still have to prove that they're in the upper echelon of Concacaf teams, but they're gradually heading in that direction.
     
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  16. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Agree. But 7-0 with 6-0 at half is still pretty nice.
     
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  17. largegarlic

    largegarlic Member+

    Jul 2, 2007
    I didn't see the game and just watched the highlights when I got home, but I don't have a problem with them easing the pace in the 2nd half. They have a much tougher game in 4 days. Is it worth it to win 10-0 if it means guys have extra fatigue or pick up an injury?

    And I would remind people that the biggest margin of victory ever for the USMNT is still that 8-0 game against Barbados in 2008. So, putting up 7 goals on anyone, even Cuba at home, is still pretty good by our historical standards.
     
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  18. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    For Canada it's a bigger game, since they need at least one win vs. the USA to keep their hopes of making the Hex alive.
     
  19. UncagedGorilla

    Barcelona
    Sep 22, 2009
    East Bay, CA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    I'd say we can take certain negative things away. It looked like all of our field players were about five steps above Cuba, except Lovitz who nearly always played backwards or errantly forward and still had nearly all his crosses blocked. If not for the Cuban defender momentarily deciding to try out as a DB for the Redskins, the earned pk would have been blocked as well.

    I'll also say this. If we continue playing our glorified 4-1-4-1, I think Morris has joined Pulisic and McKennie as a lock-starter in that line for the time being. I'd really like to see Weah as the fourth member of that line at some point.

    Major negative was also Stu Holden's five-minute disgusting propaganda piece on MB90. I just assume he will be fired by SUM if he doesn't verbally praise him excessively and absurdly for a certain number of minutes per game.

    I was fully prepared to hate Yuell for being the new Trapp but I actually like him. He's bigger than Trapp and more athletic than Trapp and Bradley combined (though I still wouldn't call that a strength of his) AND he's a much more adventurous passer. I'd like to see more of him in a hostile game.

    Lastly, Tim Ream is simply excellent as a LCB. He needs to play there anytime Brooks is out, which is always.
     
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  20. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    it's a semantics parse posing as an argument. the academy players who sign out directly do not earn a transfer fee. they might earn one of the new training-type fees youth teams can get. so you can argue "you're not getting fees for young players" and it might have some literal truth but one of the academicians we didn't "sell" who left as a teenager had the fastest hat trick in team history TONIGHT, so it sounds like a pretty fake argument.

    the argument also has a basic chronological flaw. a player who leaves at 18 will sign abroad and not start here. a player who starts here at 18 probably stays 2 years before they leave. by definition they are 20. he would then beef "who have you sold under 20" players like freddy adu who sign here at 14 and burn 4 years of tenure before leaving at 18 will be highly exceptional. you can expect most players who bother to sign here will make their 20s before a transfer. i would think if they left earlier than that it would be on loan and not sale.

    i could also see us holding onto players until u20 worlds to miaximize value.
     
  21. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    prior to the subs they were good around the perimeter except LB and then not very good in the midfield. mckennie was good playing almost as a forward but the two reasons that game ground to a halt were the mids couldn't create and the subs dropped off in quality. boyd continues to strike me as ineffective and as crisp as pulisic was, arriola was sloppy.

    i know people liked mckennie in on net but where was he in the midfield??

    3 of the first 4 goals were basically that same right side play over and over they had scouted due to cuba's narrow defense. that was not improv, that was design/scouting. i say that because how many goals did we create on the fly that weren't scouted and packaged to the players.

    once we couldn't go to that well offense dried up because the mids weren't doing much combo work and creating. to me occasionally hitting a home run ball over the top is not the same thing as the hard work of constantly being on the ball moving the ball around looking for openings. that is what we have confused on this whole MB thing. yueill is the same thing in another package. i want to see something more like that trick flick mckennie did but facing the goal. throughball to a man making a run. you know, normal team stuff. just about everything was beat them down the line and cross. morris and cannon were more creative than the mids that way.

    lovitz couldn't quite handle cuba. cuba is the worst team we have played this year. why is he here QED.

    GB will swap some "starters" in (zardes, arriola, long, zimmerman, yedlin, etc.) and i'm not sure it will be a better team in sum than what he started tonight as an A/B hybrid, because he will probably yank good players to do it.
     
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  22. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Tim Ream is in the form of his life, not only two games in a row where he's looked good with the NT, but five games in a row with Fulham where he's looked very good.
     
  23. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    ream is composed and plays smart soccer, and is to me basically what people THINK brooks is. the problem is when we play a team like canada or some other foot speed team can he stay with the play. to be fair, only cannon of this bunch could keep up. against a bad team you can look brilliant. against a fast team he gets exposed as an athlete. big picture he's not your regular guy. outside of the box you would need to pick your matchups.
     
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  24. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    to the people talking down cannon based on opposition it hasn't been just this game or have people forgotten how he got the job???

    let's be real, though, he played tonight so yedlin could disappoint against canada. kind of like sargent tonight so zardes next week. or yueill tonight so bradley next week. he has so much of this literally backwards.

    i am amused at people talking him down as defensive after how THE FIRST FOUR GOALS FREAKING WENT. he only either made the cross or played the crosser into space behind the defense over and over.
     
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  25. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    they need someone who can hit a deadball, badly. corners, crap. free kicks, crap. we have people who could head them in with service.
     

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