2018/22 Yoshinori Muto @ Newcastle United FC (ENG)

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  1. teioh

    teioh Member+

    Apr 17, 2012
    This guy had 1 chance in the last WC against Poland (his last appearance for JNT if I'm not wrong) where he looked threatening and selfish (positively) but didn't score or even closely score.
    I liked him cuz he's quite physical and fast enough to produce something but in that important chance he had he totally failed.
    Add this to his injury problems and that's the typical japanese player whose JNT has had enough.
     
  2. Samurai Warrior

    Samurai Warrior Member+

    Dec 2, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    He scored against Uzbekistan in the 2019 Asian Cup.
     
  3. teioh

    teioh Member+

    Apr 17, 2012
    Totally forgot about that.
     
  4. marten48

    marten48 Member

    Jun 2, 2012
    United States
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    As expected, Newcastle just signed a new No. 9 to replace Rondon for £40 million, setting a new transfer record. Muto needs to leave this club. This had all the signs of a bad transfer from the beginning with reports that he was “having trouble adapting”, which always spells trouble for Japanese players in Europe. Though he certainly didn’t make the most of the few chances he got, on the other hand I don’t think the club was fair to him in so quickly reaching the conclusion that he simply isn’t good enough. Newcastle is a notoriously dysfunctional club which will probably struggle next season without Rafa Benitez. Time to cut his losses I think.
     
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  5. yudum

    yudum Member

    Jan 10, 2015
    Club:
    Consadole Sapporo
    Muto's direct competitor was Perez, not Rondon.
     
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  6. marten48

    marten48 Member

    Jun 2, 2012
    United States
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Which was part of the problem. He’s at his best as the focus of the attack (as at Mainz) rather than in a support role or on the wing. He was played out of position.
     
  7. seolseol

    seolseol Member+

    Apr 26, 2003
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    They bought back Andy Carroll. So more competition for Muto.
     
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  8. seolseol

    seolseol Member+

    Apr 26, 2003
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    At least he got some minutes today. They lost 3-1 though and look as hopeless as always.
     
  9. teioh

    teioh Member+

    Apr 17, 2012
    Andy "King Donkey" Carroll shouldn't be a problem even for an out of form Muto.
    Except Newcastle play that type of football aka long blind pass to King Donkey's head and wait for something to happen.
     
  10. Keren

    Keren Member+

    Feb 15, 2013
    France
    Club:
    Olympique de Marseille
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
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  11. seolseol

    seolseol Member+

    Apr 26, 2003
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Scores on the penalty also. But they lost.
     
  12. Samurai Warrior

    Samurai Warrior Member+

    Dec 2, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    He had a glorious chance to score the winner today for Newcastle but he waited too long to release his shot and end up hitting the side-netting.

    Not the best way to capitalise on the limited playing time he gets.
     
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  13. seolseol

    seolseol Member+

    Apr 26, 2003
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Not good at all. He needs to take those chances
     
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  14. Samurai Warrior

    Samurai Warrior Member+

    Dec 2, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
  15. marten48

    marten48 Member

    Jun 2, 2012
    United States
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Disappointing start for him. Spurned a good chance. Made a run through on goal and a teammate actually passed it to him for once, but he couldn’t get his feet sorted out. After that at least twice a teammate (Scher, Atsu) opted for an ambitious shot rather than pass to him when he was in a good position. Didn’t even get 45 minutes as he was subbed out when Newcastle went down to 10 men before halftime.
     
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  16. seolseol

    seolseol Member+

    Apr 26, 2003
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    So he went from a starter to not even being on the bench. Against Man U , whom he scored against last season.

    Joelinton gets the blind trust. Of course cause he is a expensive brazilian player. With not better stats than Muto throughout his career.
     
  17. NaohiroTakahara

    NaohiroTakahara Member+

    Nov 12, 2013
    Newcastle is a totaly chaotic team. No wonder a player like Muto failed there, they didnt trust him from the first day. He never gets a real chance. When you have wait for month for your first starting chance und only play here and there for a few minutes when you a down 2-0 its hard to make any impact. And after time your head and your psycho factor are making a rumble. Now after 1 and a half year Muto is totaly down and has no faith in his own skills.

    Muto is not a individual skiller like Neymar or Reus, he is a very good striker but a team player, he needs a coach which trusts him. Of course you have to fight for your place but not be that scared that after one bad game you are out of the team.

    Muto should have the chance to start for 4-5 games in a row. But that would never happen. Its 75% fault of the coach and staff und only 25% Muto.

    He should leave.

    Soooooooooo many players fail in EPL not cause of the quality cause of the cold people there. The coaches often have no clue how to handle people. They ruin soooo much characters there. Even a Claudio Pizarro scored only 1 goal and he is one of the best strikers of all time.

    Look at Okazaki, last 2017/2018 he was scoring like hell, 6 goals in the first games and he was the most profilic goalscorer in the Premiere League at this time. For sure he would have easily scored 10+ goals but the new coach never use him again after 6 GOALS. Only small subs and he ruined Okazakis fitness and his selfbelieve. A good coach would have know how to use Okazaki and build the team around him and Vardy.

    England has great football knowledge but no clue how to handle the people in football, that was always a problem there. Most of the players doesnt have fun to play football.

    For Example Jurgen Klopp and Liverpool show how you have to handle players and the enthuiasm of the hole team to carry you from win to win, he knows how to handle things different.
     
  18. marten48

    marten48 Member

    Jun 2, 2012
    United States
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    I agree with you that he has been mishandled by Newcastle, especially this year when they’re desperate for goal-scoring. If you make a 10 million pound investment in a player you need to do whatever it takes to put that player in a position to succeed. This “prove you’re good enough” approach is simplistic — some players need to be encouraged.

    On the other hand Muto can’t be let off the hook completely for his failure. To me his miss vs Leicester was a pretty bad one. You make that run, you have to expect that pass, even if you’re rarely passed to. That’s willpower.

    It should be said that Muto also is having to deal with ignorant assumptions being made about him. Many Newcastle fans are quick to write him off as too “lightweight” for the Premier League. The reality is that lack of physical strength isn’t his problem. In fact I’d say that he wins at least half of his physical duels.
     
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  19. YakYak

    YakYak Member

    Feb 9, 2009
    Jumping on the band-wagon here and agreeing that there's not a lot to fault in the guy other than not burrying his chances. Unfortunately, when you're a forward in a top league the inability to be a clinical finisher is enough to get you dropped from the team, regardless of how many minutes were allocated to you on the pitch and how well/bad you or your teammates played otherwise.
     
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  20. AKITOD

    AKITOD Member+

    Apr 5, 2007
    Hobart, Aust
    Club:
    JEF United Ichihara
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    I think Muto didn't do enough to get more chances. Seriously how often have we seen a reassuring performance from him in 2 years. Maybe twice?
     
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  21. seolseol

    seolseol Member+

    Apr 26, 2003
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    You guys are right. While he did not get enough chances , he did not take the ones he got. For some players thats enough, then you are off the hook. Lets just wait and see that Joelison will get through the season as a starter with 2 goals.
     
  22. marten48

    marten48 Member

    Jun 2, 2012
    United States
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    I agree with you all that he hasn’t taken advantage of the few opportunities he’s been given. His form is so terrible it has even carried over to his few recent performances for the national team. At the same time, he hasn’t been treated fairly by Newcastle. His goal scoring record in the Bundesliga is almost exactly the same as that of Joelinton (he scored 8, Joelinton scored 7 in their season prior to their move).
     
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  23. seolseol

    seolseol Member+

    Apr 26, 2003
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Thats what I mean, but Joelinton will get chances all season long , just wait and see.
     
  24. seolseol

    seolseol Member+

    Apr 26, 2003
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Not even on the bench today. Sad
     
  25. seolseol

    seolseol Member+

    Apr 26, 2003
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Get the chance to start againt Leicester. Maybe his last chance to impress?
     

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