Whitecaps Roster Thread

Discussion in 'Vancouver Whitecaps' started by whiteisthecolour, Mar 22, 2011.

  1. hot potato

    hot potato Member+

    Feb 21, 2014
    Club:
    Vancouver Whitecaps
    its not that id dont agree with your take on godoy and chirinos- both are decent players

    knowing the cheapness of the owners in spending any of their money on salaries (we are bottom in MLS and all salaries comes from the league pots), the focus has to be on adding serious quality to the MF and offensive striker positions- 3 significant players- which will take millions in transfer fees (davies money) and salaries (MLS and hopefully from the owners wallets- wishful thinking, i know)

    both godoy and chirinos will take millions in transfer money and upwards of over $800K in salaries-- thats my take-

    and we shouldnt keep fredy on a almost $1 mill salary in order to be a 30 minute sub- Ricketts can adequately fill that role and comes at under $100K- Montero should be bought out or ??- same reason as godoy and chirinos

    put all resources on 3 players- 2 in MF and 1 natural goal scorer- everything is secondary
     
  2. OldFan2015

    OldFan2015 Member

    Nov 29, 2015
    Club:
    Vancouver Whitecaps
    I see no problem keeping Freddy unless they are replacing him with a higher priced DP that will cost them some salary paid by the owner. He is clearly not a starter anymore but as a sub, if we are going to have a cheap roster, he has value.
     
  3. BearcatSA

    BearcatSA Member

    Jan 15, 2008
    Canada
    I don't think it''s good cap economics to pay DP wages for a situational sub. I think he should be bought out. Losing out on the Korean striker who chose Ligue 1 instead of here is a pretty strong indication that the club will be upgrading that spot with a big money signing, especially if they decide Reyna isn't in the plan for next season.

    Better to eat the lesser cap hit on Erice moving on. This team vitally needs at least one big time box to box mid to go with HIB. IMO, I think HIB needs two new starting mids with him for 2020.
     
  4. BearcatSA

    BearcatSA Member

    Jan 15, 2008
    Canada
    Reyna's good as gone. Selfish play, looked like a guy trying to showcase his individual talents.
     
  5. BearcatSA

    BearcatSA Member

    Jan 15, 2008
    Canada
    He started off really hot with run and pass that set up Chirinos, but after that is was so good. Trying to do too much on his own.
     
  6. tm13

    tm13 Member

    Jan 15, 2008
    Rocky Mountains
    He setup Chirinos which almost tied it. Reyna has been forced to carry the load a lot this season. Maybe he fealt he has to do it all or just poor judgement.

    Blondel is still signed until the end of 2020 ($307k) - Loan out or trade.
    Giro is under contract until the end of 2020 ($110k) - Not a big salary hit so keep or trade
    Erice is under contract until the end of 2020 ($752k) - Loan out or trade.
    Montero is under contract until the end of 2020 ($968k) - Buy out
    Reyna is under contract until the end of 2020 ($713k) - Keep

    Ardaiz is on Loan ($272k) - Bair has made him obsolete. Gone
    Bangoura is on Loan ($100k) - If Bangoura is free then his salary is okay for what he provides. Pay transfer? No.
    Godoy is on Loan ($450) - Keep. Versatile and reliable.
     
  7. hot potato

    hot potato Member+

    Feb 21, 2014
    Club:
    Vancouver Whitecaps
    MY THOUGHTS:

    1. keeping bangoura is absolutely a terrible decision- he is a cancer on the team - coming into training camp out of condition was a sign of his lack of professionalism- the Caps dont need that type of attitude

    2. montero has to be kept because it is going to cost the owners $$$$$$ 1mill to buy him out with no return- unless a team takes him on and the caps pay 1/2 of his salary- probably wont happen, but lets hope it does- toisant is a better player as a sub striker

    3. godoy- will cost over $1 mill on a transfer fee- is that a wise move with the davies money? he is a good player and better at RB than jake and he is a good CB to boot- i think MDS keeps him and tries to whittle down the transfer fee which would be a good result

    4. Ardaiz has used up a lot of good-will and hope - his career as a promising young player is gone and he will end up is some 3rd tier league- good riddance to a narcisstic player

    5. reyna- he will need to be convinced that the Club will be bringing some quality MF and a new striker in order to be happy to stay- yordy is quality and hopefully he returns to a better supporting cast

    6. if PC stays then sutter will be gone- i prefer scott over PC, but both are sub players and wont change the fortune of the Club for 2020

    7. trying to unload erice and blondell from the payroll should happen- good luck with getting some team to take anthony at over $300K; jon should go just to save his career, but who will take him at $750K?? yikes!! 1/8 of the MLS salary budget on these 2 players is incompetence

    THE BIGGEST QUESTION FOR 2020- will the owners be willing to spend extra $$$$$$$ on salaries to the tune of $2-3 mill over the MLS pots- there is NO PROOF they will, no matter what rachel lewis inanely says- talk about a corporate puppet!!

    its do or die for the Club- i reckon that at least 1/2 of the STHs are gone unless there are 2-3 significant signings- attendances will be lucky to hit an average of 16 000 unless we are more competitive and entertaining, and MDS and his so-called scouting team hit 100% with new 6-8 player signings

    why would a quality sporting director and head scout want to come to this team with its 'head in the sand' owners ?
     
  8. hot potato

    hot potato Member+

    Feb 21, 2014
    Club:
    Vancouver Whitecaps
    looking to see what happens with a Valley CPL team - i need to put FUN back into supporting soccer
     
  9. OldFan2015

    OldFan2015 Member

    Nov 29, 2015
    Club:
    Vancouver Whitecaps
    I think Ardaiz was obsolete the moment he played his first match and was exposed. :) He really is MDS's Jarju (not really comparing the player just the magnitude of the flop in light of the player, cost, etc. The silver lining is they got a loan before buying Ardaiz so it was a more astute failure than Jarju).

    I wouldn't advocate buying out Montero unless they have a replacement striker. Which, they probably will try someone but I think that is a decision that needs time. Also, asking owners to pay a buyout is a tall order. I think the likely scenario is he stays, trade, or mutual termination; not a buy out.
     
  10. OldFan2015

    OldFan2015 Member

    Nov 29, 2015
    Club:
    Vancouver Whitecaps
    Considering the date on the calendar I would suggest nothing would start up in 2020 unless it gets formally announced this month.
     
  11. hot potato

    hot potato Member+

    Feb 21, 2014
    Club:
    Vancouver Whitecaps
    unless there is HOPE brought back into the Club's fortunes for 2020, the average attendance will plumett to around 16 000- those thousands of empty seats from this year's STHs wont have money stamped on them in 2020- i reckon that the team will drop to below 10 000 STHs from 15 000, a loss of over 5 000 supporters

    by my math, if they drop 6 000/game from the 2017 average of 22 000, at $40 a pop, that adds up to lost revenue of over $4 mill- the owners should invest that $4 mill on salaries to acquire 2-3 top players, instill HOPE back into the supporters and try to recapture the market

    its just a smart investment plan, but i dont see that coming

    STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES
     
  12. Kingston

    Kingston Member+

    Oct 6, 2005
    I wonder what it would take to pry Jonathan David out of Belgium?
     
  13. tm13

    tm13 Member

    Jan 15, 2008
    Rocky Mountains
    True. He does still show a quality that is good just not at $1 mil a year. At 32 he may have another good season left in him if those around him improve. Instead of a buyout keep him unless that gets in the way of signing a DP.
     
  14. OldFan2015

    OldFan2015 Member

    Nov 29, 2015
    Club:
    Vancouver Whitecaps
    zero. He is on the cusp of heading to a top tier league , he won't be coming to MLS for any money. But his transfer fee will be 20 million euros or even much more I would think. He is arguably the best 19 year old on the planet based on playing for the first team in a quality league and scoring and the way he plays.
     
  15. hot potato

    hot potato Member+

    Feb 21, 2014
    Club:
    Vancouver Whitecaps
    now GlassCity is doing a mock lineup for 2020 with both michael bradley and oliver giroud in the Caps lineup- they would add over $12 mill in salaries beyond the MLS pots of around $8.2 mill

    more sad than comical that GC would do this to buff up his image as an insider of Caps news- he once had that rep, but has lost it when his inside mole went south
     
  16. OldFan2015

    OldFan2015 Member

    Nov 29, 2015
    Club:
    Vancouver Whitecaps
    well, that is rather silly by someone who has presented himself as a good source (and he has been many times over the years).

    its hard to fathom with his experience he would believe the caps would jump all the way from obsessive cost control to two high priced salaries in one off season.

    Gets the fans dreaming though, right? Which is all the Caps can do to try to get people to hang on.
     
  17. hot potato

    hot potato Member+

    Feb 21, 2014
    Club:
    Vancouver Whitecaps
    wouldnt scott arfield look great in a Cap jersey- he has 3 years left on a glasgow ranger contract that is paying him about $2.5 mill C and a $3 Mill transfer fee

    he is the type of MF leader and captain the Club needs-he would play a more vital role here and he thrives on that- just watch his play with Canada vs USA

    its a more reasonable dream and money than giroud and bradley, and scott is younger at 30
     
  18. OldFan2015

    OldFan2015 Member

    Nov 29, 2015
    Club:
    Vancouver Whitecaps
    Of course he would look awesome. Just like Atiba would have 3 years ago when MLS offered to pay the transfer fee with their newly created rule that at that time only would have applied to an Atiba to Vancouver move (no other DP Level Canadian would have moved to MLS at that time and MTL and TOR didnt need or want Atiba), but Kerfoot declined to pay for his salary and so nothing happened.

    That rule is still there, plus they have Davies funds to spend on transfers. But as with anything, it boils down to Kerfoot being willing to pay for salary and there still is no evidence he is going to jump to a 2 million dollar salary player.
     
  19. tm13

    tm13 Member

    Jan 15, 2008
    Rocky Mountains
    Was Hutch willing to come to Vancouver? Some like Cavalini have said only TFC others like Rob Friend stayed in Germany for less money then went to LAG to sit on the bench. That and he was 33/34 at the time so I can understand not signing him as much as I would have loved to see him in a Caps uniform
     
  20. OldFan2015

    OldFan2015 Member

    Nov 29, 2015
    Club:
    Vancouver Whitecaps
    #1870 OldFan2015, Oct 21, 2019
    Last edited: Oct 21, 2019
    Yes, he was. TWICE

    First time was several years back when his contract expired and he was a free transfer, he got "insulting" (his quote) offers from all three MLS clubs. He then resigned in Turkey

    It was openly known he was open to returning to any Canadian team to finish his career as long as they were willing to pay the salary he is currently making in Turkey. So, when Garber came up with that Canadian DP rule (which only applied to Atiba as he was the only one at that DP wage level that would have been willing to come to Canada), they were going to pay most of his transfer fee (which was 5 - 6 million) as long as the Caps took on the salary. Caps did not pursue that option.

    So yes, he would have come here. Would he come here now? Probably not as the club is in shambles and the FO has been exposed to a lot more people than just the obsessives like us :) I wouldn't take him now anyways since he is at the end, unless he wanted to sign for one year at a sub 500k salary.

    Cavellini is also on the way up in his career and just got some time in Mexico. It would not be wise for him to move to MLS at this time for any club. So he really was never an option and it was just a thing to get the public to think the Caps were trying. If he were wanting to come to MLS, his transfer fee and salary would not be to the Caps liking. They fake offered half of his current transfer fee just for a lark. Same deal with Giroud ; he isnt coming here and the Caps will not pay his price so it was all a false hope thing to keep people talking.
     
  21. hot potato

    hot potato Member+

    Feb 21, 2014
    Club:
    Vancouver Whitecaps
    you mean that the owners and FO were just duping us supporters into believing that they are going to put more big bucks into signing players to become more competitive?? amazing that you would think that !! :whistling:
     
  22. hot potato

    hot potato Member+

    Feb 21, 2014
    Club:
    Vancouver Whitecaps
    whats more amazing to me is that some naive supporters buy into the giroud and bradley 'rumor' possibly coming to the Caps,adding more than $12 mill to the existing MLS salary amount and taking the Club into the stratosphere of the TFC salary budget
     
  23. OldFan2015

    OldFan2015 Member

    Nov 29, 2015
    Club:
    Vancouver Whitecaps
    Sporting Director Search - still ongoing

    I can imagine the following if they approach an established person with a solid CV

    - the salary is probably not even competitive to get the person to come to MLS

    - the person is being asked to rebuild a club at the bottom of the league, so this person will want to know their budget. I can imagine something like this: "oh well, the mLS provides us with 8.1 million dollars in salary cap money as well as we have various "allocation money" that the league provides. Oh, and you can get more allocation money through in league trades and transactions. We feel we can do a lot better than we did with this money, so that is your opening budget"

    The person checks the MLS salary table and realizes the club is committed to still be near the bottom....

    Hence, the search is still ongoing.

    IF they ever fill any position like this, it will have to be a first timer or someone from MLS.

    They haven't , unless I missed something , retained a head of the scouting department they promised. As far as I know, it still the Dos Santos team only.

    The club is facing a huge loss next year as I would assume their season ticket sales have taken a massive beating and their attendances will be a lot less. Based on all of our evidence of Mr Kerfoot's way of running things, it is not in the realm of anything reasonable to think he will add on a bunch of salary at this stage when he wouldn't when they were getting 22k a game. They have transfer money to spend (Davies), so they will do that; but you can only get a certain level of player if the salaries are in the sub 1 million range give or take an Ali Adnan at 1.2
     
  24. hot potato

    hot potato Member+

    Feb 21, 2014
    Club:
    Vancouver Whitecaps
    ITS OBVIOUS-- with doneil henry leaving for asia, its obvious that the Caps will sign godoy and another quality CB who can pass the ball out from defence more effectively in order to start our quick counter-attack

    thanks for your years of service, doneil!!
     
  25. OldFan2015

    OldFan2015 Member

    Nov 29, 2015
    Club:
    Vancouver Whitecaps
    I wouldnt say its obvious they sign Godoy. Anything is possible here.
     

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