The 2020 Election Mega Thread

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  1. sitruc

    sitruc Member+

    Jul 25, 2006
    Virginia
    Do it.

    Don't forget to plug the AB thread where nobody pushed back at him regarding who could vote.
     
  2. argentine soccer fan

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    Jan 18, 2001
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    I'm not a fan of Warren's policies, but if she gave the young dude that wound, then to me she's way more likeable.
     
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  3. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    I was neutral on rural voters until 2016. I didn't think about them much one way or the other. They were not my enemy. Then they declared war on me.

    This is their doing, not mine.
     
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  4. argentine soccer fan

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    Obviously senators - Democrats and Republicans alike - should withhold judgement until the time, if any, when the process is set up and the evidence is presented. They will be the ones making the decision, so they should respect the process. To opine in advance makes a mockery of the process. They should let it play out, and whoever holds that against them is an idiot.
     
  5. KensingtonSC

    KensingtonSC Still Lazy After All These Years

    FC Vaduz / Philadelphia Union
    Jan 7, 2010
    Andalusia, PA
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    People from rural areas hate liberals and repeatedly vote against their own best interests not because they've repeatedly been conditioned to do so by right wing politicians, right wing radio, right wing television, and social media that keeps them in a right wing bubble, but because of "coastal elites", people they've never met or even spoken to.

    Okay. Sure.
     
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  6. KensingtonSC

    KensingtonSC Still Lazy After All These Years

    FC Vaduz / Philadelphia Union
    Jan 7, 2010
    Andalusia, PA
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    Show your work. Seriously, don't throw that around and not show your work.
     
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  7. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
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    #3907 MatthausSammer, Oct 7, 2019
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    Its hard for me to empathize with voters who collectively chose to use their voice to elect Trump. Like it's hard for me to conceive of a set of values or thought process that would lead to Trump that was simultaneously intellectually honest and not utterly appalling. I don't feel that way about Mitt Romney or John McCain. That said, the Whitelandia stuff Boloni is speaking of is absolutely out of bounds.
     
  8. KensingtonSC

    KensingtonSC Still Lazy After All These Years

    FC Vaduz / Philadelphia Union
    Jan 7, 2010
    Andalusia, PA
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    FC Vaduz
    I agree. I had Republican friends and family members who I talked to about things other than politics, and we were fine, but in the last few years, they've become more hostile, and I just have no interest in talking with them because they think it's good policy to hurt people who don't act and think like them.

    I don't see why I'm the one who has to do the soul searching and compromise on white supremacy.
     
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  9. Boloni86

    Boloni86 Member+

    Jun 7, 2000
    Baltimore
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    DC United
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    Gibraltar
    I really don't have time for this shit. Just search Whitelandia ... these gems are just in the first 2-3 pages. I don't think people would be as tolerant if we suddenly started calling black majority cities Blacklandia, or El Paso Brownlandia or Hawaii Yellowlandia. Truly is one of the more embarrassing trends here on the enlightened Big Soccer forum. I could also search the word "dotard" which is another term people should be embarrassed to use. Playing off the word "retard" in a derogatory way makes posters in here just as bad as people who use "libtard". And this is just scratching the surface. There's many more of these ... Dunking on rural America is like a sport in here. There's about 4-5 posters in here who probably can't go a 24 hr cycle without doing it. And then we sit around scratching our heads wondering why it's getting harder and harder for rural Democrats to feel accepted in this circle jerk.



     
  10. sitruc

    sitruc Member+

    Jul 25, 2006
    Virginia
    Now imagine you're not white and it's coworkers and they think "you're one of the ok ones."
     
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  11. sitruc

    sitruc Member+

    Jul 25, 2006
    Virginia
    1. Dotard came from the escalations with North Korea. It's not a play on words. It's an actual word that was translated as a description of Trump.
    2. Show your work.
     
  12. Boloni86

    Boloni86 Member+

    Jun 7, 2000
    Baltimore
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    DC United
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    Gibraltar
    You completely missed the point. I'm not asking you to empathize with Trump voters. I'm asking you to empathize with rural Democrats.

    The fact that it's hard for people to even wrap their heads around this concept is exactly what I'm talking about. There's this tendency from liberals to assume that there's parts of this country where Trump has 100% support. This can be easily debunked by doing a county by county study from the 2016 election. The myth of 100% Trump country doesn't exist. I'm not even sure if 100% white counties even exist anymore. It's completely invented in the heads of people who feel the need to buy into this geographic warfare narrative. The more people push these geographic narratives, the faster they become self fulfilling prophecies.
     
  13. KensingtonSC

    KensingtonSC Still Lazy After All These Years

    FC Vaduz / Philadelphia Union
    Jan 7, 2010
    Andalusia, PA
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    I couldn't. That would hurt a lot. I genuinely don't know how you do it every day. It would get exhausting.
     
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  14. KensingtonSC

    KensingtonSC Still Lazy After All These Years

    FC Vaduz / Philadelphia Union
    Jan 7, 2010
    Andalusia, PA
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    FC Vaduz
    What on earth are you on about? When have people on this board not supported Dems in rural areas? What a strawman you've set up here.

    I take it you've never been to Coeur D'Alene, Idaho. You know, "Coeur D'Alene: Where the white supremacists reign".
     
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  15. Boloni86

    Boloni86 Member+

    Jun 7, 2000
    Baltimore
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    DC United
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    What work? You want me to post another 50 quotes? How many do you need? 100? 500? Because those numbers are out there. I've been in Big Soccer PC for 7+ years so I know the number of bigoted and offensive comments directed at rural America is well into the thousands. Just give me the exact number that is required for me to "show my work" and then I can decide whether I have time to do it.

    Also, way to triangulate responsibility for the word 'dotard' as if origins has anything to do with it. The word is clearly used by people because it shares a suffix with 'retard'. Now, personally I don't get offended by the word retard on face value, until someone uses it as a derogatory term to insult someone. Using a genuine mental disability to dunk on people on the internet is another thing that says a lot about the poster.
     
  16. sitruc

    sitruc Member+

    Jul 25, 2006
    Virginia
    Got it. Context doesn't matter to anything. Understood.
     
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  17. Boloni86

    Boloni86 Member+

    Jun 7, 2000
    Baltimore
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    DC United
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    Gibraltar
    Talk about straw men. I'm talking about BIG SOCCER POSTERS INSULTING RURAL AMERICA! I'm not talking about Big Soccer posters insulting other Big Soccer posters. What are you talking about?

    I love that you went there, because it helps me prove my point. You decided to shit on Coeur D'Alene. It's a narrative that makes us feel better about ourselves. Most of us have never been there, so it's very reassuring for us to have these geographic regions to target so we can externalize our hatred and feel more superior about the places we live.

    Here's the facts :

    1) Coeur D'Alene is 4.3% Hispanic, 2.8% mixed race, 1.2% native American, 1% Asian and 0.5% black. So right off the bat, the myth of Whitelandia is dead. When people use the Whitelandia trope, they're actually whitewashing away the minority communities that live there ... advancing the narrative that they don't exist. In this case, one out of 10 people you will pass on the street in Coeur D'Alene are not white. They exist and they f***ing matter.

    2) Hillary Clinton got 25% of the vote in Kootenai County. 3rd parties got 8% of the vote in Kootenai County. The population of Kootenai County is 160,000. Donald Trump got 45,000 votes in that county in 2016.

    This is why you lose rural America. Instead of reaching out and strengthening bonds with those 25% Hillary Clinton voters (and possibly the 3rd party voters/non voters), you decide to whitewash them away as if they don't exist. You call them Whitelandia. You advance the narrative that they're all white nationalists and inbred hicks.

    You are literally alienating your Democratic allies and making it harder and harder for them to make the case to their neighbors that the Democratic Party cares about them. Then, in the next election the 25% becomes 20%, the 20% becomes 15% and people scratch their heads wondering how it's happening.
     
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  18. Boloni86

    Boloni86 Member+

    Jun 7, 2000
    Baltimore
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    DC United
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    Gibraltar
    I find it very easy to not use derivatives of the word retard when I speak. For me it's a no brainer. I have yet to find a context where those words come naturally to me.
     
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  19. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
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    Chicago Fire
    I'm generally with you but "dotard" is a reference to a person in his or her "dotage," which is a 19th century way of saying "senile."

    It's not conventionally connected to the word retard, except in recent months when people who didn't know the conventional definition assumed it was a portmanteau of the first two letters of the President's name and the last four letters of "retard." In short, Americans didn't know that Dear Leader was using an old dictionary when he insulted our Dear Leader President.

    https://www.wordnik.com/words/dotard
     
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  20. Boloni86

    Boloni86 Member+

    Jun 7, 2000
    Baltimore
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    DC United
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    Gibraltar
    I hear you, but how many people in America know this? This is not a word that is used in any other context in America. If you ran a poll, I'd be surprised if more than 10% of Americans knew the archaic definition of dotard. For me it's obvious that people fell in love with the word because it combines Donald and retard.

    I see a lot of alt right types using this same logic when they straddle the line of offensiveness by using double entendres, and then hide behind a semantic defense when liberals get outraged. It's dumb when they do it, and it's dumb when liberals do it.

    Anyways, I don't want to get too sidetracked. That word doesn't really impact the rural discussion. It just jumped out at me in one of the quotes I pulled up.
     
  21. Hayaka

    Hayaka Member+

    Jun 21, 2009
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    I doubt posters at Big Soccer (and similar message boards) have the effect on rural voters you seem to think they have. And in any case, rural voters in 2016 voted pretty much the way they usually do. Nationwide, Trump got fewer votes than Romney. Hillary lost because too few of the urban and suburban Obama Democrats turned out for her.

    "Trump did not win because he was more attractive to this base of white voters. He won because Hillary Clinton was less attractive to the traditional Democratic base of urban, minorities, and more educated voters. "

    "Take Michigan for example. A state that Obama won in 2012 by 350,000 votes, Clinton lost by roughly 10,000. Why? She received 300,000 votes less than Obama did in 2012. Detroit and Wayne County should kick themselves because of the 595,253 votes they gave Obama in 2012, only 518,000 voted for Clinton in 2016. More than 75,000 Motown Obama voters did not bother to vote for Clinton. They did not become Trump voters – Trump received only 10,000 votes more than Romney did in this county. They simply stayed at home. If even a fraction of these lethargic Democrats had turned out to vote, Michigan would have stayed blue."

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/omribe...use-of-lower-democratic-turnout/#39cede0753ab
     
  22. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
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    Chicago Red Stars
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    United States
    I know, I think it's higher than 25%.

    Me being part of that number.
     
  23. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
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    Chicago Red Stars
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    Maybe rural Democrats are "one of the ok ones"
     
  24. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
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    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
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    Borussia Dortmund
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    Germany
    Rural versus urban divides are one of the cleanest ways to correlate Democrat voters as opposed to Republican voters. It's not really a narrative, it's just how it is. I don't see the evidence that rural voters vote Republiccan because Democrats slag them on soccer boards. That being said, I agree the Whitelandia stuff is toxic and extraordinarily unhelpful.
     
  25. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 29, 2008
    Columbus
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    Columbus Crew
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    United States
    You think soccer boards is wher “fly-over country” originated?
     

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